A1 Darrington to Redhouse

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Also has anyone noticed how bad J35 is, I use it most sundays and even at 10am the queues are bad with so much traffic joining the A1(M) nb from the M18 you have 4 lanes squeezing into 2 and it’s just a standstill, I was quite shocked how bad it is.
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thatapanydude wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 19:05 Here is a suggestion. If the M18 was extended to York from the M62, would the A1 need to be upgraded? I suspect not especially if the A19 was also dualled from York to Thirsk.

Re. the scheme at large, anything less than a D3(M) or D4(M) with HS is not acceptable.
The A1 needs to be upgraded to handle the traffic from the North East to London. Given the A19 from Thirsk to the York ring road is S2 and that the ring road is already overloaded I dont see a cat in hells chance of anyone going that way unless you held them at gunpoint. Then there is the little matter of rebuilding the junction between the existing A19 and A168 at Thirsk. In comparison upgrading the A1 is a stroll in the park.

Do you really want to send the A1 traffic round this road ?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.92738 ... 8192?hl=en

Or worse yet the southern route and Hopgrove which grinds to a halt in summer as it is.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.98923 ... 8192?hl=en

Actually the few times I have gone via York I found it quicker to go right through the city centre and round the inner ring road. I was of course heading for Teesside so the A19 at Thirsk was on route as it were and I havent gone that way since the A1(M) from Wetherby to Walshford and Dishforth was opened in 2005.
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NICK 647063 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 22:11 Also has anyone noticed how bad J35 is, I use it most sundays and even at 10am the queues are bad with so much traffic joining the A1(M) nb from the M18 you have 4 lanes squeezing into 2 and it’s just a standstill, I was quite shocked how bad it is.
I used this junction from the M18 to A1(M) northbound for the first time a few Saturdays ago and, yes, it was queued along the M18 for a mile up to the junction.

I don't think the junction has altered much since it was built back in the late 1970's despite the massive increase in traffic.
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thatapanydude wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 19:05 If the M18 was extended to York from the M62, would the A1 need to be upgraded? I suspect not especially if the A19 was also dualled from York to Thirsk.
The Fantasy Forum is a few doors down.

Quite simply, this will never happen - much as it would be welcomed by many, the outrage from others would be loud! Pushing through an on-line upgrade is hard enough; a green-field motorway would be nigh-on impossible now.

And that is before you consider a route that would have to avoid Drax power station, squeeze past Skipwith Common and the Derwent Valley NNRs - without obliterating North Duffield
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Norfolktolancashire wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 22:45
NICK 647063 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 22:11 Also has anyone noticed how bad J35 is, I use it most sundays and even at 10am the queues are bad with so much traffic joining the A1(M) nb from the M18 you have 4 lanes squeezing into 2 and it’s just a standstill, I was quite shocked how bad it is.
I used this junction from the M18 to A1(M) northbound for the first time a few Saturdays ago and, yes, it was queued along the M18 for a mile up to the junction.

I don't think the junction has altered much since it was built back in the late 1970's despite the massive increase in traffic.
I must have gotten lucky on Saturday.
Slight slow down on the M18 with people merging into lane 1 to exit, other than that, sailed right through
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thatapanydude wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 19:05 Here is a suggestion. If the M18 was extended to York from the M62, would the A1 need to be upgraded? I suspect not especially if the A19 was also dualled from York to Thirsk.
York and North Yorkshire east of the A1 wouldn't account for much of the traffic between Redhouse and Darrington. There will be vastly more demand from West Yorkshire and the North East.
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A little confused but imagine it is just a Google earth and maps mistake but on there this part of the road is down as A1(M).
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andypins wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 18:30 A little confused but imagine it is just a Google earth and maps mistake but on there this part of the road is down as A1(M).
Google do this from time to time, a few years ago the A64 all became the A64(M) right through leeds to Scarborough they sorted it within 3 months!
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andypins wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 18:30 A little confused but imagine it is just a Google earth and maps mistake but on there this part of the road is down as A1(M).
It is indeed a mistake.
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Sorry I haven't been following this thread closely. Any info on the scheme from National Highways? Google just brings up SABRE!
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Mark Hewitt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 08:39 Sorry I haven't been following this thread closely. Any info on the scheme from National Highways? Google just brings up SABRE!
As I understand it the plan is treat it and the Doncaster Bypass upgrade as single project.
https://nationalhighways.co.uk/our-work ... arrington/
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KeithW wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 09:54
Mark Hewitt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 08:39 Sorry I haven't been following this thread closely. Any info on the scheme from National Highways? Google just brings up SABRE!
As I understand it the plan is treat it and the Doncaster Bypass upgrade as single project.
https://nationalhighways.co.uk/our-work ... arrington/
Thanks! So they aren't as far as preferred routes etc yet. I'd imagine most of it could be upgraded to D3M online but parts where that would difficult e.g. Wentbridge flyover.
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Mark Hewitt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 09:58
KeithW wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 09:54
Mark Hewitt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 08:39 Sorry I haven't been following this thread closely. Any info on the scheme from National Highways? Google just brings up SABRE!
As I understand it the plan is treat it and the Doncaster Bypass upgrade as single project.
https://nationalhighways.co.uk/our-work ... arrington/
Thanks! So they aren't as far as preferred routes etc yet. I'd imagine most of it could be upgraded to D3M online but parts where that would difficult e.g. Wentbridge flyover.
Build another one alongside and put a D3M carriageway on it. Convert the existing D2 a single D3M carriageway. See Thelwall Viaduct, M2 Medway Viaducts among others.

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M4Simon wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 Build another one alongside and put a D3M carriageway on it. Convert the existing D2 a single D3M carriageway.

Simon
https://goo.gl/maps/5GCwyguoZGuN7gkD6

As I understand it the existing bridge is not a single bridge but two bridges side by side. Not impossible for that to form a single side of a D3M of course.
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Mark Hewitt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:54
M4Simon wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 Build another one alongside and put a D3M carriageway on it. Convert the existing D2 a single D3M carriageway.

Simon
https://goo.gl/maps/5GCwyguoZGuN7gkD6

As I understand it the existing bridge is not a single bridge but two bridges side by side. Not impossible for that to form a single side of a D3M of course.
It looks to be a single bridge from below.
http://happypontist.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... aduct.html

The Don Bridge is however two spans
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.50890 ... !1e3?hl=en
https://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/south-yo ... m-flyover/
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Mark Hewitt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:54
M4Simon wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 Build another one alongside and put a D3M carriageway on it. Convert the existing D2 a single D3M carriageway.

Simon
https://goo.gl/maps/5GCwyguoZGuN7gkD6

As I understand it the existing bridge is not a single bridge but two bridges side by side. Not impossible for that to form a single side of a D3M of course.
That's exactly what they did at Wetherby when upgrading from D2 to D3M.
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KeithW wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 13:05
Mark Hewitt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:54
M4Simon wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 Build another one alongside and put a D3M carriageway on it. Convert the existing D2 a single D3M carriageway.

Simon
https://goo.gl/maps/5GCwyguoZGuN7gkD6

As I understand it the existing bridge is not a single bridge but two bridges side by side. Not impossible for that to form a single side of a D3M of course.
It looks to be a single bridge from below.
http://happypontist.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... aduct.html

The Don Bridge is however two spans
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.50890 ... !1e3?hl=en
https://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/south-yo ... m-flyover/
Converting two parallel structures to a single one was also done for the M2 Medway Bridge.
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Chris Bertram wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 18:04 Ha! Some of us are old enough to remember Red House as a flat roundabout.
Likewise, I can remember when most of the junctions on the A1 were roundabouts and several hair raising at grade junctions. Replacing the roundabouts and closing some of the worst at grades was one big improvement to improve journey times and safety, ( Always recall as a boy being in a car having to use an at grade junction on the A1 to get to a village called Scorton and it being nerve wracking even for the local who was driving the Chevette).
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Glenn A wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 19:04
Chris Bertram wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 18:04 Ha! Some of us are old enough to remember Red House as a flat roundabout.
Likewise, I can remember when most of the junctions on the A1 were roundabouts and several hair raising at grade junctions. Replacing the roundabouts and closing some of the worst at grades was one big improvement to improve journey times and safety, ( Always recall as a boy being in a car having to use an at grade junction on the A1 to get to a village called Scorton and it being nerve wracking even for the local who was driving the Chevette).

I know it well and Scorton was one of the quieter sections of the A1. There are still flat junctions and roundabouts on the A1 at Great Ponton, Sandy and Beeston.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.12190 ... 8192?hl=en

Until the Tempsford Bypass was built in the late 1990's the road to Everton and Potton used this flat left turn here which was decidedly dodgy if there was an HGV on your tail.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.16415 ... 8192?hl=en
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KeithW wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 21:15
Glenn A wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 19:04
Chris Bertram wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 18:04 Ha! Some of us are old enough to remember Red House as a flat roundabout.
Likewise, I can remember when most of the junctions on the A1 were roundabouts and several hair raising at grade junctions. Replacing the roundabouts and closing some of the worst at grades was one big improvement to improve journey times and safety, ( Always recall as a boy being in a car having to use an at grade junction on the A1 to get to a village called Scorton and it being nerve wracking even for the local who was driving the Chevette).

I know it well and Scorton was one of the quieter sections of the A1. There are still flat junctions and roundabouts on the A1 at Great Ponton, Sandy and Beeston.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.12190 ... 8192?hl=en

Until the Tempsford Bypass was built in the late 1990's the road to Everton and Potton used this flat left turn here which was decidedly dodgy if there was an HGV on your tail.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.16415 ... 8192?hl=en
The section of the A1 near Sandy looks like a suburban D2, not a major road carrying traffic from London to the East Midlands. I think it is high time all remaining flat junctions and roundabouts were removed from the A1.
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