That layout only disappeared a couple of years agowrinkly wrote:I'd forgotten that. Or maybe it wasn't like that in the distant days when I knew it best.drpsg wrote:In the 90s you could carry on northbound under the Mancunian way, then do a semi circle and either go southbound on Upper Brook Street, or towards Umist (Sackville Street?) along the 2 way - very tight exit slip of the Mancunian way.
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Both the Sackville and Grovesnor routes were largely ignored by signs with city centre traffic almost being dumped on the westbound A57(M) by default - the expectation presumably being to take Cambridge Street as this has more capacity.
You can only go up Princess Street as far as Major Street anyway; it is only really intended as access to Chinatown and not in any way a through route.
You can only go up Princess Street as far as Major Street anyway; it is only really intended as access to Chinatown and not in any way a through route.
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Dropping lots of traffic up Sackville Street literally through the middle of the UMIST campus would have been a terrible idea given the amount of pedestrian and cycle traffic generated.Bryn666 wrote:Both the Sackville and Grovesnor routes were largely ignored by signs with city centre traffic almost being dumped on the westbound A57(M) by default - the expectation presumably being to take Cambridge Street as this has more capacity.
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Exactly, it's still hardly a suitable route into the city centre.
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Removing beautiful 1960s enclosed pedestrian overpasses doesn't help either. Now pedestrians have to fight through traffic to get from one part of the uni to the other.
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There was a tunnel underneath at the same location too. Sackville Street literally went through the building...Truvelo wrote:Removing beautiful 1960s enclosed pedestrian overpasses doesn't help either. Now pedestrians have to fight through traffic to get from one part of the uni to the other.
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I had an interesting conversation recently with a friend about the A57(M) versus the A58(M), as in "Which is better"?
He said that the Mancunian Way was a more ambitious and impressive project, because it is elevated. I guess that does make it more spectacular, and when I drove it at night it certainly was.
However, I defended the Leeds equivalent by saying that it was deliberately cut down into the ground to make it relatively unobtrusive, and I think it achieves that aim very well. I'd imagine that the non-Sabristically-minded can walk over it on Woodhouse Lane without really noticing that it's there!
I'd be interested to know what others think?
He said that the Mancunian Way was a more ambitious and impressive project, because it is elevated. I guess that does make it more spectacular, and when I drove it at night it certainly was.
However, I defended the Leeds equivalent by saying that it was deliberately cut down into the ground to make it relatively unobtrusive, and I think it achieves that aim very well. I'd imagine that the non-Sabristically-minded can walk over it on Woodhouse Lane without really noticing that it's there!
I'd be interested to know what others think?
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Having lived in Leeds for a few years and now Manchester, I would say the A58 / a64 (m) wins. The tunnels, braiding, and right hand exit clinch it for meOwain wrote:I had an interesting conversation recently with a friend about the A57(M) versus the A58(M), as in "Which is better"?
He said that the Mancunian Way was a more ambitious and impressive project, because it is elevated. I guess that does make it more spectacular, and when I drove it at night it certainly was.
However, I defended the Leeds equivalent by saying that it was deliberately cut down into the ground to make it relatively unobtrusive, and I think it achieves that aim very well. I'd imagine that the non-Sabristically-minded can walk over it on Woodhouse Lane without really noticing that it's there!
I'd be interested to know what others think?
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But then there's no Leeds equivalent of the Garwood St entrance, the Crown St exit, or the (now former) ski-jump. And there's no part of the Leeds Inner Ring Road that's a non-motorway Special Road; and the A635(M) is shorter than the A64(M)!bucephalus wrote:Having lived in Leeds for a few years and now Manchester, I would say the A58 / a64 (m) wins. The tunnels, braiding, and right hand exit clinch it for me
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All three of the northern city centre motorways are special in their own right.
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Also a more enjoyable drive on a bike - when I was having physio at at Jimmy's, the ride on the IRR was the highlight of the trip.bucephalus wrote:Having lived in Leeds for a few years and now Manchester, I would say the A58 / a64 (m) wins. The tunnels, braiding, and right hand exit clinch it for meOwain wrote:I had an interesting conversation recently with a friend about the A57(M) versus the A58(M), as in "Which is better"?
He said that the Mancunian Way was a more ambitious and impressive project, because it is elevated. I guess that does make it more spectacular, and when I drove it at night it certainly was.
However, I defended the Leeds equivalent by saying that it was deliberately cut down into the ground to make it relatively unobtrusive, and I think it achieves that aim very well. I'd imagine that the non-Sabristically-minded can walk over it on Woodhouse Lane without really noticing that it's there!
I'd be interested to know what others think?
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What three are those - Liverpool, Sheffield and Edinburgh?Bryn666 wrote:All three of the northern city centre motorways are special in their own right.
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Salford is a city too, and it has the M602.
I think Bryn was probably thinking of Newcastle, Leeds and Manchester.
I think Bryn was probably thinking of Newcastle, Leeds and Manchester.
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But doesn't have what could be construed as a "city centre", especially as it is the borough that has city status, not the town.
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