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DavidBrown wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 06:34
Berk wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 22:38I’d like to think they’ll have fixed the Victoria junction, but I doubt it.
Again, what exactly is there to fix? Nobody apart from you can see any issues whatsoever.
The junction is too far East to flow smoothly on to the new road. It means you have to turn back about 1 mile after coming off the A30. Or have another mile to go westbound on the old A30.

If you’re going to the trouble of making a direct link road, why not spend a bit extra and replace the junction as well??
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Google makes the distance 1.4 miles - from the B3274 crossroads to the Victoria junction. That’s the added distance people will have to drive.

I’d just close the slips at Victoria and make a new junction much nearer to the crossroads.
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Berk wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 16:31 I’d just close the slips at Victoria and make a new junction much nearer to the crossroads.
What about the services?
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Berk wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 16:31 Google makes the distance 1.4 miles - from the B3274 crossroads to the Victoria junction. That’s the added distance people will have to drive.

I’d just close the slips at Victoria and make a new junction much nearer to the crossroads.
But who exactly is that going to help? The vast majority of westbound from St Austell traffic uses the A3058. Any other local traffic will continue to use existing local roads. I see absolutely no benefit in spending many millions building a new GSJ in a sensitive area on Goss Moor.
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Berk wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 16:31 Google makes the distance 1.4 miles - from the B3274 crossroads to the Victoria junction. That’s the added distance people will have to drive.

I’d just close the slips at Victoria and make a new junction much nearer to the crossroads.
Have you any figures to show how much traffic is heading to/from the A30 west?
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Berk wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 16:31 Google makes the distance 1.4 miles - from the B3274 crossroads to the Victoria junction. That’s the added distance people will have to drive.

I’d just close the slips at Victoria and make a new junction much nearer to the crossroads.
Yet again - why?

You keep posting the same thing, but without any further reasoning for your hairbrain plan.

Luckily there is no chance of your proposal happening but I am interested in why you care so much, without any evidence to back it up.
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I simply cannot understand why the council wish to build a new link road that doesn’t connect directly to an immediate junction, instead having to carry nearly 1½-miles to the nearest one.

Perhaps that is quite small, but it’s getting on for the distances you see between A1(M) junctions. If it was another 5 miles on to the A30 would that seem reasonable??

The services is probably OK where it is, but again, I wouldn’t have linked the junction there to the local roads network, just the services.
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DavidBrown wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 20:23
Berk wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 16:31 Google makes the distance 1.4 miles - from the B3274 crossroads to the Victoria junction. That’s the added distance people will have to drive.

I’d just close the slips at Victoria and make a new junction much nearer to the crossroads.
But who exactly is that going to help? The vast majority of westbound from St Austell traffic uses the A3058. Any other local traffic will continue to use existing local roads.
If that’s the case, why is the road being proposed at all?? The A391 already meets the A30.

I thought it was to allow faster, more reliable access to the A30, both west and eastbound??
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Berk wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 15:53 I simply cannot understand why the council wish to build a new link road that doesn’t connect directly to an immediate junction, instead having to carry nearly 1½-miles to the nearest one.

Perhaps that is quite small, but it’s getting on for the distances you see between A1(M) junctions. If it was another 5 miles on to the A30 would that seem reasonable??

The services is probably OK where it is, but again, I wouldn’t have linked the junction there to the local roads network, just the services.
I simply cannot understand why you would want to add another £20m to the cost of the scheme, because some traffic has to go an extra mile. Please could you give an estimate of the cost:benefit ratio. Also please include the added cost for everyone who wants to use the services
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Berk wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 15:55
DavidBrown wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 20:23
Berk wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 16:31 Google makes the distance 1.4 miles - from the B3274 crossroads to the Victoria junction. That’s the added distance people will have to drive.

I’d just close the slips at Victoria and make a new junction much nearer to the crossroads.
But who exactly is that going to help? The vast majority of westbound from St Austell traffic uses the A3058. Any other local traffic will continue to use existing local roads.
If that’s the case, why is the road being proposed at all?? The A391 already meets the A30.

I thought it was to allow faster, more reliable access to the A30, both west and eastbound??
It might be an extra mile for those travelling to/from A30 westbound, but it’ll save probably up to 10 mins travel time because the route would be mostly NSL. If you’re being really petty, those travelling to/from A30 westbound will have a shorter journey distance wise as well. The only difference is those travelling to/from A30 eastbound where a couple of extra miles will be encountered. Cornwall council wanted to look at branches off the A30, and in particular the St Austell to Newquay/Newquay airport corridor.
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Berk wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 15:55If that’s the case, why is the road being proposed at all?? The A391 already meets the A30.
I take it you don't live in the village of Bugle.
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nowster wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 17:32
Berk wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 15:55If that’s the case, why is the road being proposed at all?? The A391 already meets the A30.
I take it you don't live in the village of Bugle.
That’s not why I’m making the argument. The new road is designed to bypass Bugle.

The reason I’m making it is as a counter-argument to “St Austell traffic using the A3058 to access the A30”. Well they may do it now, but they may also be less likely to once the new road is built.

Except for the fact that nearly 3 miles is added to a round trip, because the nearest junction was sited at Victoria when the A30 was built (12 years ago). And apparently, because there is a services there too, also built at the same time.

I don’t believe that junctions always remain useful in the same locations. Whether it made sense to build one at Victoria in 2007, it probably doesn’t now we're considering whether to build a better link road to St Austell. It’s nothing to do with BCR.

A westerly junction could not have been built in 2007, because these plans were not ready then. But adding 3 miles per journey to St Austell could undermine the case for using it. That will affect all travellers, not just westbound.

The overbridge at Victoria won’t be a waste of money, because it links local roads either side of the A30.
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Have you read through all the scheme documents? They are probably available on the Cornwall CC website. I expect the option selection details can be found by there.

Of course the BCR matters, as does the overall cost. £20m extra would probably make the scheme unaffordable
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Wouldn't some link from the A391 using the old A30 road and B3274 bridge, solve the detour issues with A30 South traffic.

I would think a scheme like this would not cost the earth and should have a solid BCR.
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Yes, something like that will do. The new road is going to upgrade and replace part of the B3274.

In some ways it’s better, because you only need to provide slips in one direction.
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In many respects it's moot point about who benefits/suffers from where the Victoria Junction is, because a new junction at the B3274 is an absolute non-starter with Goss Moor being a national nature reserve. It took long enough getting the 2007 dual carriageway past the environmental lobbies. Tarmacing over another chunk of it for a pointless GSJ certainly wouldn't go down too well. Not to mention that the sketch above uses the old A30 under the Iron Bridge. Anyone who remembers the pre-2007 A30 knows that's a very bad idea.
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thatapanydude wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 19:26 Wouldn't some link from the A391 using the old A30 road and B3274 bridge, solve the detour issues with A30 South traffic.

I would think a scheme like this would not cost the earth and should have a solid BCR.
Unfortunately that involves putting new roads through a national nature reserve. I suspect that is why it was not considered or rejected in the first place. All the planning documents are here. There are 792 of them though...
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As you may have seen by my posting in the wrong place, now approved by Cornwall Council.
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multiraider2 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2019 18:21 As you may have seen by my posting in the wrong place, now approved by Cornwall Council.
It certainly has. I'll have to get a half decent camera and get up there when they start. I'll have two scheme's to report on down this way by this time next year! :D
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multiraider2 wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2019 18:21As you may have seen by my posting in the wrong place, now approved by Cornwall Council.
Wasn't funding approved in the Budget??
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