Motorway Junctions - "Hidden" roads

[Klepsydra]

The southbound ones are a cock-up anyway, the 'floppy' is drawn really badly as well.

A cock down then?

*gets coat*

[crb11]

One more: M11 J8 signs only the A120 from the mainline, not the B1256 (or the A1250 if you want to count it as meeting the junction).

[Gareth Thomas]

Some I can think of:

M4 Junction 16: no mention of the B4005.
M4 Junction 17: no mention of the B4122.
M4 Junction 23A: no longer any mention of the B4245.
M4 Junction 32: no mention of the A4054.

M20 Junction 10: no mention of the A20 to Sellindge.
M20 Junction 11: no mention of the A20 which takes you to the (signed from junction) A261.
M20 Junction 12: the B2064 through Cheriton is still signed as "A20".
M20 Junction 13: the A2034 to Folkestone is still signed as "A20", and no mention of the A259.

M25 Junction 3: no mention of the A20 towards West Kingsdown, or the B2173 (which is signed from M20 Junction 1).
M25 Junction 6: no mention of the B2235.

M27 Junction 1: no mention of the B3079.

Non-motorway example: neither the A2990 nor B2205 are mentioned at the A299/A291 junction, despite the latter being the way into the (signed from junction) Herne Bay.

[Chris Bertram]

A38(M) - At Park Circus, B4132 Waterlinks Boulevard is not granted a mention of its number, only the destinations are signed.
At Dartmouth Circus, A5127 is not mentioned on the southbound approach, but as it involves doubling back on yourself I guess this is understandable.

[Chris Bertram]

Have we had M54?

J2 - A4510 is not signed in either direction, it is A449 westbound and (A449) eastbound.
J4 - I don't think A4640 is signed, only A464 and (A442).
J5 - A5 is not signed westbound, B5072 is not signed eastbound.

[Robert Kilcoyne]

At M56 Junction 10, the A559 is not signed on any ADS or fork signs, only the A49. Warrington, Northwich A49 is signed on the ADS and fork signs in both directions, but when you leave the motorway, you are signed to use the A559 for Northwich.

[ais523]

I remember trying to turn onto the B4096 from M42 J1 and being annoyed at the lack of signage. OK, so most people will want the A38, but those who don't could do with reassurance that they have the right exit.

[Robert Kilcoyne]

The A614 is the only road signed on the ADS and fork signs approaching M62 Junction 36, but the A161 also terminates at this junction.

[KeithW]

Lets be realistic here. If you try and list every possible minor road at a junction you will simply end up with the sort of information overload that confuses people. The signs are there to ensure you leave at the correct exit not to give all possible permutations from that exit. As such all that is required on the motorway sign is the exit number and any numbers of Primary roads.

Approaching J47 of the A1(M) I expect to see J47 and A59. I neither need nor expect it to show that I can also access the A168 LAR to Boroughbridge. At J63 expect the A167 and A693 to be signed but not the A183 which is secondary or Picktree Lane which is unclassified. At a similar level from J10 of the M20 you can pick up the A2070, the A292, A20 and the Hinxhill Road.

Clearly there are exceptions on very rural motorways with long gaps between junctions such as that for Shap off the M6 but that cannot be the norm and even there the destination is Shap (A6) even though the road you use to get to the A6 is the B6261

I do however expect to see more detailed destination options at the junction having left the motorway. In the days before satNavs I would always make up a crib sheet detailing the minor roads I had to take after leaving the main route and mostly still do as satNavs have a bad habit of sending you down goat tracks.

[telfordboi]

Have we had M54?

J2 - A4510 is not signed in either direction, it is A449 westbound and (A449) eastbound.
J4 - I don't think A4640 is signed, only A464 and (A442).
J5 - A5 is not signed westbound, B5072 is not signed eastbound.

I noticed that about J5 too. It doesn’t *really* lead to the A5 anyway. At least I wouldn’t think it’s a route many would take. As the A5 leads in the same direction as the M54, why wouldn’t you just stay on it? Although I’m not sure what other road number should be put in the sign as many of Telford Centre roads are unclassified.

Also, coming off at J5 eastbound the A442 isn’t signed (even at the roundabout) even though it’s a major dual carriageway going through Telford?

[Chris Bertram]

Also, coming off at J5 eastbound the A442 isn’t signed (even at the roundabout) even though it’s a major dual carriageway going through Telford?

A442, or rather (A442) is signed from J4 westbound and J6 eastbound. Yes, I know there's a quick route from J5 to the Hollinsgate roundabout, but the purpose of the junction is mainly to serve the town centre, and so that's what gets signed.

[ScottB5411]

Likewise M61 J8 totally ignores the A674 and says it's actually the A6 which was true before the Wheelton Bypass was finished in 1971 or so.

Doesn't the A674 finish at the roundabout and the DC past the Mormon Temple is a spur of the A6? Or is this one of those secretive "can't let the public know or the world will self implode" secret numbers on the west side?

[Bryn666]

Likewise M61 J8 totally ignores the A674 and says it's actually the A6 which was true before the Wheelton Bypass was finished in 1971 or so.

Doesn't the A674 finish at the roundabout and the DC past the Mormon Temple is a spur of the A6? Or is this one of those secretive "can't let the public know or the world will self implode" secret numbers on the west side?

All of the signs around there are confused... not Lancs finest hour.

[ScottB5411]

Likewise M61 J8 totally ignores the A674 and says it's actually the A6 which was true before the Wheelton Bypass was finished in 1971 or so.

Doesn't the A674 finish at the roundabout and the DC past the Mormon Temple is a spur of the A6? Or is this one of those secretive "can't let the public know or the world will self implode" secret numbers on the west side?

All of the signs around there are confused... not Lancs finest hour.

They seem to have a lot of those nowadays

A shame considering the role Lancashire played in the start of all things grade separated

[saracen]

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[Robert Kilcoyne]

At Junction 29 of the M6, the M65 is signed from the mainline, but not the A6, even though you have to negotiate the roundabout with the A6 if you are leaving the southbound M6 to join the M65.

[the cheesecake man]

M1 J28 omits the B road to Pinxton.
M1 J38 omits the useful unclassified road to Hall Green.

[Fluid Dynamics]

Neither arm of the A3 nor the A2047 spur is signed from M275 J2.

My memories of growing up in Portsmouth is that roads were generally signed poorly within the city and numbers rarely given. For instance for many years the A2030 from the A3(M) was simply signed Farlington, Drayton. Finding a signed A288 also used to be rare.

[scragend]

By which I mean roads that aren't felt to warrant a mention on the motorway mainline advance signage, though they will probably feature on the slip road "map" sign.

On M6, I can think of the following instances:

• At J2, B4069 (the old A46) is omitted), but M69, A46 and A4600 are shown depending which way you are travelling.
  * At J3, I think B4113 is left off, while A446 is given pride of place.
  * At J5, B4114 doesn't warrant inclusion, though it's possible that the spur leading to it from the junction is part of A452.
  * At J6, A5127, which is fully accessible from the roundabout below the tangle of Spaghetti, is excluded.
  * At J10, B4464 joins the roundabout - however access to it is for buses and taxis only, so maybe this is correct.
  * At J11, the presence of A462 is kept quiet while A460 hogs the limelight.
  * At J14, A34 used to have sole billing, northbound at least. Maybe this has changed and A5013 is shown, can someone confirm?
  * At J15, A500 is signed (it used to be A34 originally), but the junction slips all lead to a roundabout where A519 is also quietly connected.
  * At J16, it's A500 again, and B5078 which leads to Alsager's Bank is deemed too unimportant to feature.
  * At J20, I dont think the signs mention B5158, which connects directly to one of the roundabouts.
  * At J21, I don't recall ever seeing B5210 signed, though as this is fairly new that may have changed.
  * At J23, A580 is the only road signed. A49 also passes through this junction but you don't see that unless you exit.
  * At J34, I'm not sure whether A589 has yet made it onto the advance signage.
  * At J38, I can't remember whether B6260 is signed. That I can't remembe suggests that it isn't, but I'm happy to be corrected.
  * At J39, I think the signage says (A6), with B6261 ignored.
  * At J40, my memory is that A66 gets all the headlines, and A592 is sold short.
  * At J42, I'm unsure whether B6263 is included as well as A6.

Of course there are plenty of examples of this on other motorways. Over to you ...

M6 J26 only mentions M58 on the advance signs in both directions, not A577, despite there being an exit to that road (along the "single carriageway motorway") from the junction.

Presumably because Wigan has already been signed southbound at J27 and northbound at J25.

[saracen]

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