At least 99% of the time, the M6Toll signs say "M6 TOLL CLEAR". They might as well leave them blank.ais523 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 04:13 Were these even HE's signs?
On the M6 approach to the M6 Toll, some of the matrix signs are controlled by HE, and some are controlled by MEL; the MEL signs give M6 Toll-specific information. (This used to cause confusion, so the two signs have been made more distinct in the last few years; IIRC the MEL signs have a blue frame rather than the usual black, and a (retroreflective, not matrix) sign above them saying M6 TOLL INFORMATION. Even so, they're similar enough to be easily confusable if you aren't intentionally trying to tell them apart. Here's an example of what an MEL-controlled matrix sign looks like.)
This story is worrying in either case, but the implications are rather different based on whether it's HE or MEL who set the signs.
M6 South > M5 Slip - Reduction To 1 Lane + Zip Merging
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IME, the queue on the southbound slip at Ray Hall can often largely be due to drivers pulling into lane 2 far too early, so failing to use the available road space by merging in turn further down.
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It always amuses me when people get angry and try to block you, when you do exactly what you are supposed to do and zip merge at the cones
How about some more beans Mr. Taggart?
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Because British people like to queue but don't understand queue dynamics. They see it as pushing in even though by all logic it is more efficient that two lines merge into one alternately.ScottB5411 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 23:08 It always amuses me when people get angry and try to block you, when you do exactly what you are supposed to do and zip merge at the cones
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Exactly the problem. Despite the 'Merge in turn' signs being added a few months after it began (I suggested it on there Facebook too at the time) and then a few months ago 'Use Both Lanes' signs appearing, you dare use lane one and you get blocked. Honestly I feel such a fraud driving down lane one, and then tend to get into road rage down the bottom.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 08:46Because British people like to queue but don't understand queue dynamics. They see it as pushing in even though by all logic it is more efficient that two lines merge into one alternately.ScottB5411 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 23:08 It always amuses me when people get angry and try to block you, when you do exactly what you are supposed to do and zip merge at the cones
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I tried driving along the centre-line last night, but my vehicle wasn't wide enough to fully use both lanes, so impatient people passed on both sidesbrummie_rob wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 22:10 ... a few months ago 'Use Both Lanes' signs appearing, you dare use lane one and you get blocked.
I suspect they mean "Use EITHER lane"
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Lorries do that technique too but a little more successfully!Micro The Maniac wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 06:40I tried driving along the centre-line last night, but my vehicle wasn't wide enough to fully use both lanes, so impatient people passed on both sidesbrummie_rob wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 22:10 ... a few months ago 'Use Both Lanes' signs appearing, you dare use lane one and you get blocked.
I suspect they mean "Use EITHER lane"
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I get told off by my better half for using the MERGE system after certain roundabouts, because it invariably ends up with certain drivers in the left hand lane thinking I am hopping the queue! I tell her it is there to increase road capacity. This does not go down wellbrummie_rob wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 22:10Exactly the problem. Despite the 'Merge in turn' signs being added a few months after it began (I suggested it on there Facebook too at the time) and then a few months ago 'Use Both Lanes' signs appearing, you dare use lane one and you get blocked. Honestly I feel such a fraud driving down lane one, and then tend to get into road rage down the bottom.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 08:46Because British people like to queue but don't understand queue dynamics. They see it as pushing in even though by all logic it is more efficient that two lines merge into one alternately.ScottB5411 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 23:08 It always amuses me when people get angry and try to block you, when you do exactly what you are supposed to do and zip merge at the cones
As for going south onto the M5 from the M6 from the north, I use the next junction and double back onto the M5 to avoid the queue. Works every time.
Strange junction though!
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Re: M6 South > M5 Slip - Reduction To 1 Lane
2 cars alongside 1 lorry, both takes up the same amount of space but which order should they merge in? car 1, lorry, car 2 or car 1, car 2, lorry?Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 08:46Because British people like to queue but don't understand queue dynamics. They see it as pushing in even though by all logic it is more efficient that two lines merge into one alternately.ScottB5411 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 23:08 It always amuses me when people get angry and try to block you, when you do exactly what you are supposed to do and zip merge at the cones
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Car 1, lorry, car 2. It's easier for the cars to move around.Fenlander wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:362 cars alongside 1 lorry, both takes up the same amount of space but which order should they merge in? car 1, lorry, car 2 or car 1, car 2, lorry?Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 08:46Because British people like to queue but don't understand queue dynamics. They see it as pushing in even though by all logic it is more efficient that two lines merge into one alternately.ScottB5411 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 23:08 It always amuses me when people get angry and try to block you, when you do exactly what you are supposed to do and zip merge at the cones
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