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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by aj444 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 22:33

For thrill seeking try pulling a slow bus out of this bus stop just a little further along. Thankfully something we no longer do. (will Highways Agency ever remove the unused bus stops?)

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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by SteveA30 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 17:03

I hope HE remains averse to developer lead junction schemes or, projects like this will be ruined by 'shed' rbts or signalled junctions elsewhere along the route. Still worth doing this though.
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Bryn666 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:06

SteveA30 wrote:
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I hope HE remains averse to developer lead junction schemes or, projects like this will be ruined by 'shed' rbts or signalled junctions elsewhere along the route. Still worth doing this though.
HE are usually very good at demanding the entire earth from third parties; it's their own schemes that are subject to penny-pinching. M49 J1, when it eventually opens, is a case in point - a HE funded junction would have had signal control for the cycle track rather than it being threaded through subways.
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Graham » Mon Jan 18, 2021 22:54

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Then, as I said about, from Minworth to the M6 is built up and 40mph through traffic lights, roundabouts etc.
The A38 is my preferred route from the M5 to the M1 north, partly because I was brought up in the NW suburbs of Derby. I never use the Minworth route, however - I always go via Queslett and Shenstone, which flows well despite being built up most of the way from the M6 to Lichfield.

My old dad still lives in Allestree, and every time I visit him I am glad of the 40mph limit on that stretch - joining the A38 southbound from Kedleston Road would be Russian Roulette without it, as the sliproad is inadequate.

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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by roadtester » Sun Feb 07, 2021 21:00

Not everyone is in favour of this - a report on local opposition to the scheme:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/ne ... ers-4879911
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Alderpoint » Sun Feb 07, 2021 21:02

roadtester wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 21:00
Not everyone is in favour of this - a report on local opposition to the scheme:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/ne ... ers-4879911
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by roadtester » Sun Feb 07, 2021 21:07

Alderpoint wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 21:02
roadtester wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 21:00
Not everyone is in favour of this - a report on local opposition to the scheme:

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/ne ... ers-4879911
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Try this:

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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Truvelo » Sun Feb 07, 2021 21:16

Sounds like it's just a bunch of NIMBY's moaning and are using the trees as an argument to get it stopped. Those in the middle of the southernmost roundabout are only there because the land was set aside for a GSJ 50 years ago which was never built. Naturally I'm in favour of the proposals as it's the route I take to get to the northeast of the country.
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Micro The Maniac » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:50

We are apparently in a climate emergency - in which case it is essential that (on major routes) congestion hot-spots like this are removed. GSJing these roundabouts will reduce emissions and other such stuff.

I note the fallacious claims:
They have said that the project will effectively turn the section of the A38 from Little Eaton island though to Kingsway island in Derby into "a motorway, encouraging more traffic and increasing pollution"
It will not be any more of a motorway (either de facto, or de jure) than it is now.
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Post by c2R » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:52

Perhaps they should be objecting to the proposed massive car dependent housing estates that they're trying to build off a new A50 junction south of Derby if they are so concerned about climate emergency....
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

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c2R wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:52
Perhaps they should be objecting to the proposed massive car dependent housing estates that they're trying to build off a new A50 junction south of Derby if they are so concerned about climate emergency....
Yes, that would be a far bigger problem for the climate emergency, GSJing these monsters on the A38 at least means that active travel provision on the intersecting roads is possible because the bulk of the traffic will be on a flyover or underpass.
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Truvelo » Mon Feb 08, 2021 17:25

Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 17:14
c2R wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:52
Perhaps they should be objecting to the proposed massive car dependent housing estates that they're trying to build off a new A50 junction south of Derby if they are so concerned about climate emergency....
Yes, that would be a far bigger problem for the climate emergency, GSJing these monsters on the A38 at least means that active travel provision on the intersecting roads is possible because the bulk of the traffic will be on a flyover or underpass.
But would the CO2 from the concrete used to build the GSJs be more than that currently being emitted from queuing traffic? I'm surprised this isn't being used as a feeble excuse by the NIMBYs :@
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Feb 08, 2021 17:29

Truvelo wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 17:25
Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 17:14
c2R wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:52
Perhaps they should be objecting to the proposed massive car dependent housing estates that they're trying to build off a new A50 junction south of Derby if they are so concerned about climate emergency....
Yes, that would be a far bigger problem for the climate emergency, GSJing these monsters on the A38 at least means that active travel provision on the intersecting roads is possible because the bulk of the traffic will be on a flyover or underpass.
But would the CO2 from the concrete used to build the GSJs be more than that currently being emitted from queuing traffic? I'm surprised this isn't being used as a feeble excuse by the NIMBYs :@
As if the average local newspaper NIMBY would know concrete carbon costs, that's like asking a dog to explain the concept of Norway.
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by fras » Mon Feb 08, 2021 19:19

All this "active travel" stuff is complete [censored] ! It ain't going to happen. Why do I say this ? Well, until this latest lock-down we took to driving around for an outing, (everything shut of course, so a bit aimless, but it's a case of "happy wife, happy life" !), but in every village we drove through in about a 40 even 50 mile radius of Crewe, there were houses being built in literally every village. Some of these building sites are huge; another huge one has just opened in Nantwich east of Welshman's Lane. Most however are being built by local builders who can't believe their luck at being granted permission to build almost anywhere.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.07703 ... .63z?hl=en
Here's Ash Parva, south west of Whitchurch
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.95056 ... 6656?hl=en
And not only very new build, but enormous numbers have been built in the 90s and 00s
Bus services virtually nil, narrow and winding country roads, tractors driven in many cases by demented idiots. delivery vans the same. Just who is going to cycle to work from these places ?

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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Feb 08, 2021 20:10

fras wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 19:19
All this "active travel" stuff is complete [censored] ! It ain't going to happen. Why do I say this ? Well, until this latest lock-down we took to driving around for an outing, (everything shut of course, so a bit aimless, but it's a case of "happy wife, happy life" !), but in every village we drove through in about a 40 even 50 mile radius of Crewe, there were houses being built in literally every village. Some of these building sites are huge; another huge one has just opened in Nantwich east of Welshman's Lane. Most however are being built by local builders who can't believe their luck at being granted permission to build almost anywhere.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.07703 ... .63z?hl=en
Here's Ash Parva, south west of Whitchurch
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.95056 ... 6656?hl=en
And not only very new build, but enormous numbers have been built in the 90s and 00s
Bus services virtually nil, narrow and winding country roads, tractors driven in many cases by demented idiots. delivery vans the same. Just who is going to cycle to work from these places ?
Expletives aside, you've clearly missed the point of what people are saying about the construction of car dependent housing on the edge of towns. Never mind, eh?
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by fras » Mon Feb 08, 2021 22:08

Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 20:10
fras wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 19:19
All this "active travel" stuff is complete [censored] ! It ain't going to happen. Why do I say this ? Well, until this latest lock-down we took to driving around for an outing, (everything shut of course, so a bit aimless, but it's a case of "happy wife, happy life" !), but in every village we drove through in about a 40 even 50 mile radius of Crewe, there were houses being built in literally every village. Some of these building sites are huge; another huge one has just opened in Nantwich east of Welshman's Lane. Most however are being built by local builders who can't believe their luck at being granted permission to build almost anywhere.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.07703 ... .63z?hl=en
Here's Ash Parva, south west of Whitchurch
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.95056 ... 6656?hl=en
And not only very new build, but enormous numbers have been built in the 90s and 00s
Bus services virtually nil, narrow and winding country roads, tractors driven in many cases by demented idiots. delivery vans the same. Just who is going to cycle to work from these places ?
Expletives aside, you've clearly missed the point of what people are saying about the construction of car dependent housing on the edge of towns. Never mind, eh?
Well, I don't think so, and sorry about the expletive. I was trying to say in my rather bombastic way, that the situation "on the ground" negates whatever benefits there may be in revising where future housing developments take place. Everything that has been done over the last 40 years, even 60 years in my opinion, prevents any hope of lessening car travel to and from work. The proponents are just too late ! Look at a map of railways and bus routes on the early 60s and comare it to today. I actually looked and listened to Dr Beeching on "steam TV" answering a question on how people were going to get around if he shut all the lines he proposed. He answered that the costs were such, that it would be cheaper to give everybody a car, or they could travel by bus. Now we no longer have the buses either.

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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Micro The Maniac » Tue Feb 09, 2021 08:32

Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 20:10
Expletives aside, you've clearly missed the point of what people are saying about the construction of car dependent housing on the edge of towns. Never mind, eh?
I think his point is the total absence of joined up Government especially at the local levels.

And I'm not convinced with the car dependant label - I think that is the unintended side effect of not considering anything but the number of houses... no shops, doctors, dentists, schools etc... just ram as many houses in, with the narrowest roads possible (occasionally with the benefit of a footpath, but not always)

And access roads? They're not part of the development, are they? cf M49/J1

I smell incompetence rather than a deliberate intent.

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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

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Micro The Maniac wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 08:32
Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 20:10
Expletives aside, you've clearly missed the point of what people are saying about the construction of car dependent housing on the edge of towns. Never mind, eh?
I think his point is the total absence of joined up Government especially at the local levels.

And I'm not convinced with the car dependant label - I think that is the unintended side effect of not considering anything but the number of houses... no shops, doctors, dentists, schools etc... just ram as many houses in, with the narrowest roads possible (occasionally with the benefit of a footpath, but not always)

And access roads? They're not part of the development, are they? cf M49/J1

I smell incompetence rather than a deliberate intent.
Yes, I'd certainly agree with the car dependent aspect being a descriptive side effect of what is ended up with by virtue of lazy housebuilding and planning to maximise profit, rather than the deliberate intent to build another Milton Keynes. This can be seen by the way that these developments don't even do car dependent very well, in that they often have insufficient parking spaces and narrow road widths, resulting in abandoned cars on pavements and the first thing anyone does when they move in is rip up all the front gardens to make a parking space for an additional car - leaving the artists impressions of the new estate with all its greenery and mature plantings being completely unrealised.
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Re: A38 Derby Junctions

Post by Bryn666 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 09:36

c2R wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 09:15
Micro The Maniac wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 08:32
Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 20:10
Expletives aside, you've clearly missed the point of what people are saying about the construction of car dependent housing on the edge of towns. Never mind, eh?
I think his point is the total absence of joined up Government especially at the local levels.

And I'm not convinced with the car dependant label - I think that is the unintended side effect of not considering anything but the number of houses... no shops, doctors, dentists, schools etc... just ram as many houses in, with the narrowest roads possible (occasionally with the benefit of a footpath, but not always)

And access roads? They're not part of the development, are they? cf M49/J1

I smell incompetence rather than a deliberate intent.
Yes, I'd certainly agree with the car dependent aspect being a descriptive side effect of what is ended up with by virtue of lazy housebuilding and planning to maximise profit, rather than the deliberate intent to build another Milton Keynes. This can be seen by the way that these developments don't even do car dependent very well, in that they often have insufficient parking spaces and narrow road widths, resulting in abandoned cars on pavements and the first thing anyone does when they move in is rip up all the front gardens to make a parking space for an additional car - leaving the artists impressions of the new estate with all its greenery and mature plantings being completely unrealised.
A lot of is down to incompetence in planning departments who just see council tax receipts rather than anything actually liveable. At the other end of the spectrum, you have Manchester which is throwing up skyscrapers for yuppies and not working out that the average punter in Manchester is not a yuppie. No one can afford a £1,200pcm apartment in the city centre. Meanwhile, the 'forgotten ring' as I call it gets worse and worse, with social problems not being resolved. Lots of new build on the outskirts of the conurbation, which you need a car to remotely stand a chance of being able to live in, nothing in the middle, and then the yuppie blocks in the city centre.

First time buyer? Ha ha ha. Good luck.
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