Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill

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Brownfools wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2019 17:00 We have a four way cross roads junction not far from us that, until recently, had stop lines and signs on all four approaches. Google earth still shows it that way but, street view shows the new layout which is stop from the east and west.
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52°14'09.40" N 6°35'01.37" W
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill

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Ooops!
I'm going that way on Thursday, taking my son and a couple of his friends to The Hideout, a pub in Tomhaggard - about 7km to the east.
I'll stop off at the junction and get a picture!
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Yes, Stevie D. I got it the wrong way around. It used to be a standard through road north/south, with Stop lines and signs from east and west. NOW it's stop from all directions. It was difficult to get a photo at ground level that takes it all in, as it's quite tight. But this is my best effort.
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My son believes that this layout is not used in the UK, being found only south of the border in RoI. Can anyone confirm this?

Sorry! Just read the post from Jervi (page 2 above) quoting chapter and verse. "Explicitly forbidden"
I will now appreciate this junction even more!!
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I think that photo captures the four way stop nicely... And yes, they're expressly forbidden in the UK.
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There is a nice Irish 4-way stop near Kilcullen, which shows the warning sign. The reason for the layout is pretty evident.
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Johnathan404 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2019 15:04 There is a nice Irish 4-way stop near Kilcullen, which shows the warning sign. The reason for the layout is pretty evident.
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I still think 4 way stops are a daft idea though. It's pure "sign make it better".
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I found a few like this on my recent visit to the Isle of Man.

This one in Peel: https://goo.gl/maps/eq7hF63hFMPKey2S8
Also in Peel, not quite the same but definitely very strange: https://goo.gl/maps/ytNfzbcCuffoUAH4A
This one is in Castletown: https://goo.gl/maps/7MtEVDHccb3gzov97
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Yes, STOP signs are very common in Man.
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Or how about a 0 way give way in Coventry?
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the cheesecake man wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:42 Or how about a 0 way give way in Coventry?
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The two I know of:

https://goo.gl/maps/xpYr519qmamt3D17A - Near Baldwins Gate, Staffordshire

https://goo.gl/maps/6nZrqq7ekG9vGrsj6 - This isn't quite three way, but an odd setup in Harbourne, Birmingham
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brummie_rob wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 16:07 https://goo.gl/maps/6nZrqq7ekG9vGrsj6 - This isn't quite three way, but an odd setup in Harborne, Birmingham
No "u" in Harborne (I used to live there). This setup does look weird, but works. It gives priority to A4040 heading south, with traffic from the High Street (B4214) having to give way to it, but High Street traffic has priority over A4040 northbound traffic - unless there is southbound traffic as well, which there often is. Also note that there is no right turn onto the High Street, you have to use the roundabout just beyond the junction to achieve that movement.

Any suggestion for changing the priorities there would probably result in the use of traffic signals, with traffic backing up onto the roundabout.
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There's a four-way stop on a recent development in Kent, where it looks like they experimented with a mini-roundabout before painting the stop lines!
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Chris Bertram wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 16:45
brummie_rob wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 16:07 https://goo.gl/maps/6nZrqq7ekG9vGrsj6 - This isn't quite three way, but an odd setup in Harborne, Birmingham
No "u" in Harborne (I used to live there). This setup does look weird, but works. It gives priority to A4040 heading south, with traffic from the High Street (B4214) having to give way to it, but High Street traffic has priority over A4040 northbound traffic - unless there is southbound traffic as well, which there often is. Also note that there is no right turn onto the High Street, you have to use the roundabout just beyond the junction to achieve that movement.

Any suggestion for changing the priorities there would probably result in the use of traffic signals, with traffic backing up onto the roundabout.
It does work but I do find you have to take extra care when coming from the roundabout to go south on A4040. It is amazing how many vehicles where that blue car is seen simply ignore the give way and carry on to the roundabout, presumably assuming I'm carrying straight on into High St.

A 3-way give way near me which I don't think has been mentioned is this one just off the A449 near Wombourne.
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.18289 ... 312!8i6656

Found a 2 way stop / 2 way giveway. With all turns banned (by design)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.18290 ... 312!8i6656
Going back in time it looks like they tried some non-standard traffic signals here - although not sure how the crossing traffic is supposed to pass each other.

Also Lake lane (the single lane track that crosses the other road) is a public road, but has "no motor vehicle signs except for access" signs on either end, but at this junction is missing them.
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My contribution to this thread:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/gy5o9qvieo1Qeyci7

It's only a two way give way, but both give ways are side by side. Normal operation is take it turns to go (and give way to traffic turning left from the two way road), but make sure that's what the other driver is doing too.

The other one is this:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zuxahqkT99Ds1r2f7

Standard crossroads, but with a small side lane. Side lane and main road give way to each other, then immediately give way to main road.
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I raise you Four way give way
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solocle wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 08:48 I raise you Four way give way
Hmm, it looks like there's been a dismal attempt to black out the GW markings on Gt Clarendon Street, and the centre line continues through the junction. Perhaps there was a change of priorities.
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jervi wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 23:16 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.18289 ... 312!8i6656

Found a 2 way stop / 2 way giveway. With all turns banned (by design)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.18290 ... 312!8i6656
Going back in time it looks like they tried some non-standard traffic signals here - although not sure how the crossing traffic is supposed to pass each other.

Also Lake lane (the single lane track that crosses the other road) is a public road, but has "no motor vehicle signs except for access" signs on either end, but at this junction is missing them.
Well, if you can't turn into the road but only access it from straight across, you could argue that you don't need them.
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