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Why is a number that short used so far north?? I know they don’t have to be, but in practice the shorter the number, the more likely it is to be used down south*.
*South being ‘south of Britain, in this case, and England in particular. You might expect it in Herts, or Hunts. Even Rutland or Nottinghamshire.
The B327 is a very short link road in Westminster.
The road comprises the classified half of Charles II Street connecting Haymarket to Regent Street, both of which are one-way sections of the A4, carrying southbound and northbound traffic respectively. The B327 is itself one-way westbound. It can therefore be said that the B327 lies entirely within the central reservation of the
In terms of A-roads, surely the A5152 on Anglesey is a shout for the shortest. Although rather curiously the A5152 is also a road in Wrexham 70 miles away.
danfw194 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 23:35
In terms of A-roads, surely the A5152 on Anglesey is a shout for the shortest. Although rather curiously the A5152 is also a road in Wrexham 70 miles away.
The A962 trumps that - I believe we decided it’s the shortest A road in the country. Possibly the shortest classified road full stop.
The A962 is, and always has been allocated to part of West Castle Street (the eastern end of which is also called just Castle Street) in Kirkwall, Orkney. It's about 100 metres long and links the A960 with the A963. It's too short to be numbered on the current Landranger map, but the number was shown on the 1946 OS 10-mile Road Map (although the road was too short to display)!
The B630 is an oddity, being so short, but also there was the former A6080 in Corbridge, which linked the former A68 and A69, that was only 3/4 mile long and acted as a by pass of sorts, avoiding the congested A68/69 junction near the middle of the village.
It's got to be a recycled number really, and quite frankly doesn't make a lot of sense.
Looking at the historic layers on SABRE Maps, the 7th series clearly shows the status pre-bypass, ths A69 enters Greenhead from the west, meets the B6318, crosses the railway line, then makes a right turn past the church meeting the railway line again.
This means that looking at modern Greenhead, "Greenhead Bank" to the west initially was the A69, as was this unnamed road which leaves to the East.
Since it links to nothing else, one can only assume that the B630 was built with the new A69, to provide a new link into the village allowing the old alignments to be severed. Quite why they decided it needed its own number, and could not either be unclassified or a spur of the B6318 or A69...
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It is somewhat ironic that one of the shortest Bxxx roads links to the longest B road in the U.K. while the northern terminus of the B6318 is little more than one mile away from the southern terminus of the B709, the second longest B road in the U.K, and therefore the longest Bxxx road and the longest B road wholly within Scotland.
ForestChav wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 15:54
It's got to be a recycled number really, and quite frankly doesn't make a lot of sense.
Looking at the historic layers on SABRE Maps, the 7th series clearly shows the status pre-bypass, ths A69 enters Greenhead from the west, meets the B6318, crosses the railway line, then makes a right turn past the church meeting the railway line again.
This means that looking at modern Greenhead, "Greenhead Bank" to the west initially was the A69, as was this unnamed road which leaves to the East.
Since it links to nothing else, one can only assume that the B630 was built with the new A69, to provide a new link into the village allowing the old alignments to be severed. Quite why they decided it needed its own number, and could not either be unclassified or a spur of the B6318 or A69...
Correct, as Greenhead Bank was sealed off when the village was by passed in 1986 and the old A69 sealed off at the other end at the level crossing, the B630 was created as a spur to link Greenhead and the B6318 to the A69. Rather grandiose to give this road a number, but in summer traffic does pick up significantly with tourist traffic going to Hadrians Wall.
Interestingly the NSL signs still survive for the small part of Greenhead Bank that remains and you can see the outline of the escape lane eastbound, which probably saved the village from numerous accidents in ice and snow when brakes failed on lorries.
This sign doesn't make a lot of sense either. The B630 isn't showing at all (just A69) and the colour is clearly a botch - as the B630 and hence the whole left arm only existed when the primary A69 left the village, its presence could never have been signed on a primary route. There also isn't enough room to sign the "straight on" A69, so this doesn't appear to have been patched over either (when this was the B6318 leaving the straight ahead A69).
C, E flat and G go into a bar. The barman says "sorry, we don't serve minors". So E flat walks off, leaving C and G to share an open fifth between them.
Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
ForestChav wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 15:54
It's got to be a recycled number really, and quite frankly doesn't make a lot of sense.
It's unlikely to be a recycled number. Road numbers Bx00 to Bx49 were reserved for the County of London. However, as the 6 zone didn't get any further south than the Middlesex/Hertfordshire border, there wasn't anywhere that the B630 number could have been used.
Since it links to nothing else, one can only assume that the B630 was built with the new A69, to provide a new link into the village allowing the old alignments to be severed. Quite why they decided it needed its own number, and could not either be unclassified or a spur of the B6318 or A69...
The service it provides is enough for it to be classified - but your guess is as good as mine as to why the powers that be felt it needed its own number!
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ForestChav wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 15:54
It's got to be a recycled number really, and quite frankly doesn't make a lot of sense.
It's unlikely to be a recycled number. Road numbers Bx00 to Bx49 were reserved for the County of London. However, as the 6 zone didn't get any further south than the Middlesex/Hertfordshire border, there wasn't anywhere that the B630 number could have been used.
That’s ridiculous because, like you say, the A6 never came any closer to London than South Mimms. Why reserve numbers when they will never be used, or needed?? It’s like reserving Zone 7 numbers for use in London.
In fact, looking at the Wiki, it suggests there are only 7 B6xx numbers allocated below (B6)50. Two of them I’m familiar with (B640/1), the former route of the A606 in Oakham.
But really, how did Zone 6 manage to have so few B roads under 6000 allocated?? Is it simply down to the zone being quite narrow (until you get to Yorkshire)??
Also, quite a few of the B67x have been recycled or abandoned (or both). And indeed, most of these roads are quite short.
It really is unusual for a zone to have both so few allocated, and such short roads.
ForestChav wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 16:44This sign doesn't make a lot of sense either. The B630 isn't showing at all (just A69) and the colour is clearly a botch - as the B630 and hence the whole left arm only existed when the primary A69 left the village, its presence could never have been signed on a primary route. There also isn't enough room to sign the "straight on" A69, so this doesn't appear to have been patched over either (when this was the B6318 leaving the straight ahead A69).
I wonder if this is a sign from before the by pass that's been amended as it looks poor.
Berk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 19:35
That’s ridiculous because, like you say, the A6 never came any closer to London than South Mimms. Why reserve numbers when they will never be used, or needed?? It’s like reserving Zone 7 numbers for use in London.
I may be wrong but I assume it's for consistency.
Given that B100-B149, B200-B249, B300-B349, B400-B449 and B500-B549 were reserved for London it makes sense for B600-B649 to have been reserved as well, even though there wasn't actually anywhere these numbers could have been used!
Berk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 01:20
In fact, looking at the Wiki, it suggests there are only 7 B6xx numbers allocated below (B6)50. Two of them I’m familiar with (B640/1), the former route of the A606 in Oakham.
But really, how did Zone 6 manage to have so few B roads under 6000 allocated?? Is it simply down to the zone being quite narrow (until you get to Yorkshire)??
For the same reason. B600-B649 couldn't be used as the 6-zone didn't serve London whilst Bx90-Bx99 were originally unused in all English zones (for reasons I was never sure about). As such only B650-B689 were allocated, which is exactly what you'd expect.
Narrowness has nothing to do with it, although it does mean that 3-digit B-roads got as far north as Newark, whereas in other zones they barely left the suburbs of London.
Any other B6xx roads (such as the B600) have been numbered since.
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