Odd dual carriageway
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There's a few places around suburban south Birmingham, especially including the A4040, where there are parallel two-way roads.
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In those cases, however, it's pretty clear which is the main road and which is a service road.
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Re: Odd dual carriageway
Reminds me of the McCubbin Fountain in Girvan which resembles a roundabout and has keep left signs on two approaches but most people go the "wrong" way round if they want to turn right here.KevS wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 13:53 We've mentioned Ulster Avenue in Ipswich here before, which bizarrely was treated as two parallel two way roads until the late eighties when the council suddenly realised that,with three schools in the close vicinity and a shopping parade, this was asking for trouble, and so several signs and a spot of road marking later, it became an actual dual carriageway.
But there is another one in the town which was never changed: Moffat Avenue. You'll note no signs or anything advising which is the correct side. And so you do get some coming down the "wrong" side which is a bit alarming. And then to compound matters, you have this halfway along where it turns into a square, with Ross Road going off to the left, and Fife Road to the right. Moffat Avenue continues on the other side. What are you supposed to do here? Treat it as a roundabout? That silver car parked on the pavement on the right hand side - if he came from where the picture is taken, did he go all the way round, or did he just turn right at that first gap immediately in front of us. There have been accidents here over the years, but I guess the vital difference between this and Ulster Avenue is that this isn't on a bus route.
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How strange!swissferry wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 21:00Reminds me of the McCubbin Fountain in Girvan which resembles a roundabout and has keep left signs on two approaches but most people go the "wrong" way round if they want to turn right here.
It's effectively a T-junction with a very big traffic island, but the priority has been messed up with extra Give Way lines and an absence of centre line. It's unusual to find something so ambiguous - you'd expect a weird layout like this to have been rationalised years ago.
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Re: Odd dual carriageway
I should perhaps add that the one really odd one where it wasn't clear what was going on, Olton Boulevard East, has now been modified such that the carriageway that was officially the "minor" road now has No Entry signs at either end. There is access halfway along from the B-road side, and it remains two-way apart from each end, but you can no longer use it as an alternative through route.Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 20:47In those cases, however, it's pretty clear which is the main road and which is a service road.
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Re: Odd dual carriageway
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If you're invoking Italy you need to mention the various places where the carriageways swap sides. A few on motorways around Genoa.
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We've got one of those in Leamington: Beverley Road. The obvious route is keep left at both ends, but it really confuses people if you go the "wrong" way.KevS wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 13:53 But there is another one in the town which was never changed: Moffat Avenue. You'll note no signs or anything advising which is the correct side.
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Just had a look on street view, there's give way markings at either end of the split, giving the impression of parallel two way roads, which is certainly more that Moffatt Avenue had - but admittedly if you came in from one of those side streets, you wouldn't be sure.Alderpoint wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 19:12KevS wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 13:53 But there is another one in the town which was never changed: Moffat Avenue. You'll note no signs or anything advising which is the correct side.
We've got one of those in Leamington: Beverley Road. The obvious route is keep left at both ends, but it really confuses people if you go the "wrong" way.
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Not really a dual carriageway as there are no keep left signs, but still two parallel carriageways which are very odd.
Not really a dual carriageway as there are no keep left signs, but still two parallel carriageways which are very odd.
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Its not uncommon in residential areas. This is really a fairly typical close. There is one rather near where I live where the council made it a one way road. Today of course no developer would waste this much space even in the north east where land is relatively cheap, That said the houses are very popular with families.jervi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 08:57 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.83161 ... 56!5m1!1e1
Not really a dual carriageway as there are no keep left signs, but still two parallel carriageways which are very odd.
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That's on the site of the former Prissick school base where my father was head teacher of the 11-16 comprehensive school (there was also a 6th form college on the site).KeithW wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:00Its not uncommon in residential areas. This is really a fairly typical close. There is one rather near where I live where the council made it a one way road. Today of course no developer would waste this much space even in the north east where land is relatively cheap, That said the houses are very popular with families.
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Re: Odd dual carriageway
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It's the number of carriageways, not the number of lanes that's the determining factor, so yes, I think.
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