Crossroads where you can only go ahead.

[trickstat]

Not sure whether this one counts but I've always found the sign quite interesting.

Ian (M5 Driver)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.36658 ... 312!8i6656

Ah yes, the Bewdley by-pass. It seems to be a bridleway crossing. I'm sure NLT/NRT would be better than No Entry, as No Entry would surely apply to horses as much as traffic?

I'm curious about this too, I thought No Entry signs applied to horses - can anyone confirm what the law says about this?

The Gov.UK page showing warning signs labels it as "no entry for vehicular traffic". Therefore presumably horses are exempted as long as they are not pulling anything.

[Worcestershire Wolf]

At this junction in Birmingham City Centre:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.48218 ... 312!8i6656

Traffic on Newhall Street in both directions can only go straight ahead, there is no access onto the Inner Ring Road. Traffic from the Ring Road slip road (Great Charles Street Queensway) however can make keft turns into Newhall Street.

[Jeni]

There's quite a few for the misguided bus routes in Cambs if that counts?

This one's claimed a few victims. Either by way of the bus gate, or the revenue camera on the big wide road that looks like it goes to the car park

https://goo.gl/maps/P7QEuJUykfys4gFb6

You mean the one with no entry signs, road markings and ahead only arrows on the traffic lights?

Can't call people who miss all that victims I'm afraid, they're people who need to retake their driving test!

[Bryn666]

At this junction in Birmingham City Centre:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.48218 ... 312!8i6656

Traffic on Newhall Street in both directions can only go straight ahead, there is no access onto the Inner Ring Road. Traffic from the Ring Road slip road (Great Charles Street Queensway) however can make keft turns into Newhall Street.

Just up the street from our Brum office.

The overuse of box signs - unlawful as you have NLT / NRT with an ahead only, as well as the unlawful "pedestrians crossing on left" sign under the NLT mean this is a dodgy as hell site; I wouldn't want to be the highway authority if someone gets run over.

[Berk]

I’m with you in terms of compliance. But who actually makes prosecutions??

Is it just personal injury lawyers?? Or could the DfT get involved (if it could be bothered)??

[Bryn666]

Unlawful signs and a fatality bring about all sorts of designers liability issues.

[trickstat]

There's quite a few for the misguided bus routes in Cambs if that counts?

This one's claimed a few victims. Either by way of the bus gate, or the revenue camera on the big wide road that looks like it goes to the car park

https://goo.gl/maps/P7QEuJUykfys4gFb6

You mean the one with no entry signs, road markings and ahead only arrows on the traffic lights?

Can't call people who miss all that victims I'm afraid, they're people who need to retake their driving test!

Or maybe just start with an eyesight test!

[Phil]

At this junction in Birmingham City Centre:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.48218 ... 312!8i6656

Traffic on Newhall Street in both directions can only go straight ahead, there is no access onto the Inner Ring Road. Traffic from the Ring Road slip road (Great Charles Street Queensway) however can make keft turns into Newhall Street.

Just up the street from our Brum office.

The overuse of box signs - unlawful as you have NLT / NRT with an ahead only, as well as the unlawful "pedestrians crossing on left" sign under the NLT mean this is a dodgy as hell site; I wouldn't want to be the highway authority if someone gets run over.

Has it occurred to you that incidences of people getting run over is precisely why this junction has the signs it does.

Telling a pedestrian that has been injured by a car performing an illegal turn 'Well the signage is compliant with the rules' is unlikely to go down well.

Road signage is there to prevent accidents / incidents occurring in the first place not merely an academic exercise in complying with rules. If the rules are too rigid and more needs to be done to mitigate a risk then so be it.

Much like motorists tendency to ignore the Blue 'tram only' signs but obeying a no entry 'except trams sign, adding prohibited turn signage will probably have a similar effect here. Yes its a rather damning indictment of UK motorists driving standards - but surely preventing incidents is better overall.

[Bryn666]

If you look at the GSV image there is actually an unlawful over-provision of signs, that renders the legal order unenforceable.

So some well meaning idiot has actually opened the highway authority up for double litigation in their quest to 'save a life'. One from the driver who can claim the restriction didn't exist, and one from the pedestrian who can claim that they were exposed to undue risk by the presence of unlawful road layouts.

[PhilC]

The junction of Bristol Road (A38) and Priory Road (B4217) in Birmingham has recently been remodelled to allow for the new Bristol Road cycle route. It's too recent to be on GSV. Traffic heading north towards the city centre can now only go straight on at the junction, there being no right turns allowed until the Middle Ring Road. I use this junction a few times a month and regularly see vehicles turning right and left illegally.

[vlad]

On a similar subject, the Princess Street/Moseley Street crossroads in Manchester (here) is ahead only in both directions, although I've often seen cars (but never trams) deciding the rules don't apply to them.

"Excuse me getting in your way so that it takes longer for you to make this illegal turn."

[jervi]

I'm curious about this too, I thought No Entry signs applied to horses - can anyone confirm what the law says about this?

The Gov.UK page showing warning signs labels it as "no entry for vehicular traffic". Therefore presumably horses are exempted as long as they are not pulling anything.

IIRC "Vehicular Traffic" is everything that you can use to get around (except mobility scooters), including cyclists, horse riders, horse drawn carriages, cars, HVGs, areoplanes etc.
"Motor Vehicular Traffic" is the same as above, however excludes cyclists, horse riders and horse drawn carriages.

IIRC No entry signs apply to Vehicular Traffic, along with all other mandatory & restriction signs, except speed limits and minimum speed limits.

[trickstat]

This one LGC near me that replaced a roundabout around 6 years ago is straight on only for all Station Road traffic.

[mikehindsonevans]

These are, obviously, a regular occurrence where public roads run across the Cambridge Guided Busway.

Unbelievably despite the signage, we still get the odd numpty who turns onto the Busway, drops nose-first into the tank-trap, then tries to claim that the signage was deficient!!!

[M4 Cardiff]

Two in the middle of Leamington Spa.

Parade/Regent Street

Parade/Warwick Street.

and here on the A425 Eastbound (westbound you can turn left. Not that this stops some people turning right when they shouldnt! Have seen a few near-misses with illegal right-turners here.

[Alderpoint]

Two in the middle of Leamington Spa.

Parade/Regent Street

Parade/Warwick Street.

and here on the A425 Eastbound (westbound you can turn left. Not that this stops some people turning right when they shouldnt! Have seen a few near-misses with illegal right-turners here.

Yep. Although the northern arm of that cross roads is one-way and so you can't go straight ahead from the southern arm. Maybe we need a thread for "Crossroads where you cannot go ahead".

[traffic-light-man]

Maybe we need a thread for "Crossroads where you cannot go ahead".

This one is a bit of both, with the A59 as AO in both directions, and the joining roads being turns only. This is on the A59 corridor signalling improvements currently, so I'm willing to bet the junction will be redesigned and it's very early Mellors will most definitely will bite the dust sometime in the near future.

Not the only junction in Liverpool where a right green arrow doesn't give you priority over oncoming vehicles, either.

[trickstat]

These are, obviously, a regular occurrence where public roads run across the Cambridge Guided Busway.

Unbelievably despite the signage, we still get the odd numpty who turns onto the Busway, drops nose-first into the tank-trap, then tries to claim that the signage was deficient!!!

It's not the signage that's deficient!

[mikehindsonevans]

These are, obviously, a regular occurrence where public roads run across the Cambridge Guided Busway.

Unbelievably despite the signage, we still get the odd numpty who turns onto the Busway, drops nose-first into the tank-trap, then tries to claim that the signage was deficient!!!

It's not the signage that's deficient!

Too true, mate: too true. Not even Mr Loophole would find a way out of this one.

[the cheesecake man]

One here in Sheffield unless you're a bus.