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It isn't a technical problem, it's a dislike of everything becoming remote, intrusive and complicated as well. Jobs are lost along the way also. Handing over cash is just so much easier, anonymous and instant. (or a big bin like they had/have at the Mersey tunnel IIRC)If you can post on SABRE then you can make an online payment.
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Actually, it was chucking a pound coin into the hopper on a trip through the Tyne Tunnel (the toll was £1 at the time) that alerted me that it was a dud - it was rejected repeatedly, and after the third time of trying I had to ask my aunt, a passenger on our trip to Cragside, to sub me one, which worked. I later managed to spend the dud coin over the counter somewhere.SteveA30 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 21:30It isn't a technical problem, it's a dislike of everything becoming remote, intrusive and complicated as well. Jobs are lost along the way also. Handing over cash is just so much easier, anonymous and instant. (or a big bin like they had/have at the Mersey tunnel IIRC)If you can post on SABRE then you can make an online payment.
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It's actually safer to not be hauling cash to banks. Most independant companies are switching to card to avoid all the hassle of going.SteveA30 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 21:30It isn't a technical problem, it's a dislike of everything becoming remote, intrusive and complicated as well. Jobs are lost along the way also. Handing over cash is just so much easier, anonymous and instant. (or a big bin like they had/have at the Mersey tunnel IIRC)If you can post on SABRE then you can make an online payment.
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Minor point, Forth Replacement (Queensferry Crossing) is not tolled, and it's operated by Amey on behalf ofTransport Scotland.KeithW wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 09:45A303Chris wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 09:17 I have not got a problem with this, but as I said on the FB post on the subject, why cant we have a national system like the French which covers all toll tunnels and bridges instead of having separate accounts for each one, you can add LEZ's to that as well.
I have a small box in my car which covers all autoroutes in France (there are 5 operators I think), toll bridges, tunnels and last time in 2019 even some car parks.
Is it to much to ask to do that here?
Well for one thing they have different owners in different countries. Lets look at some examples.
The Tyne Tunnel is owned by the North East Combined Authority and operated by a concessionaire https://www.tt2.co.uk/
The Dartford Crossing is owned by the Department for Transport and operated by Highways England.
The Forth Crossing is owned by the Scottish Government and operated by Highways Scotland.
The Severn Crossings are the responsibility of the Welsh Government.
Then of course the LEZ and Congestion Charge are under the control of Transport for London.
There you have it - devolution in action.
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I'm the exact opposite when it comes to cash. I hate the stuffSteveA30 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 21:30It isn't a technical problem, it's a dislike of everything becoming remote, intrusive and complicated as well. Jobs are lost along the way also. Handing over cash is just so much easier, anonymous and instant. (or a big bin like they had/have at the Mersey tunnel IIRC)If you can post on SABRE then you can make an online payment.
When it comes to paying, if you can't accept card, I'm not interested as I don't carry cash. The only time I do is when I get given it, and even then I deposit it ASAP. The last time I used an ATM was in 2016
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Having previously worked on the Wirral for about 3 years, I can tell you that you would soon get tired of using cash with the queues it causes having to stop and frequently getting stuck behind the idiot with no money or the moron that misses the bin and then spends 3 mins trying to find it under his car.SteveA30 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 21:30It isn't a technical problem, it's a dislike of everything becoming remote, intrusive and complicated as well. Jobs are lost along the way also. Handing over cash is just so much easier, anonymous and instant. (or a big bin like they had/have at the Mersey tunnel IIRC)If you can post on SABRE then you can make an online payment.
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It also depends on your definition of 'instant'. Sure it requires maybe 5 minutes (if you're slow) of setting up before or after as a one time thing.
Or you're comparing driving up to a barrier. Stopping. Putting in £1.90 (assuming you've counted out £1.90 in change and had it ready the entire time). Waiting for the barrier to raise. Driving off. Now times that by thousands of cars every day.
Compared with driving through at 30/40mph.
Or you're comparing driving up to a barrier. Stopping. Putting in £1.90 (assuming you've counted out £1.90 in change and had it ready the entire time). Waiting for the barrier to raise. Driving off. Now times that by thousands of cars every day.
Compared with driving through at 30/40mph.
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That's been me before! At one of those coin token car park things. Managed to drop the coin down the side of the drivers seat rather than actually put it in the slot. Took 15 minutes of grappling with the darkest inaccessible recesses of my Ford Fiesta!Bendo wrote:Having previously worked on the Wirral for about 3 years, I can tell you that you would soon get tired of using cash with the queues it causes having to stop and frequently getting stuck behind the idiot with no money or the moron that misses the bin and then spends 3 mins trying to find it under his car.SteveA30 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 21:30It isn't a technical problem, it's a dislike of everything becoming remote, intrusive and complicated as well. Jobs are lost along the way also. Handing over cash is just so much easier, anonymous and instant. (or a big bin like they had/have at the Mersey tunnel IIRC)If you can post on SABRE then you can make an online payment.
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That's a reason/excuse used by many local authorities for car park machines that don't give change. Members of staff do not have to empty/replenish them and carry large amounts of coinage leaving them vulnerable to robbery.brummie_rob wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 22:14 It's actually safer to not be hauling cash to banks. Most independant companies are switching to card to avoid all the hassle of going.
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More like a couple of reasons. The mechanisms to store and dispense change are complex and hence expensive.doebag wrote:That's a reason/excuse used by many local authorities for car park machines that don't give change. Members of staff do not have to empty/replenish them and carry large amounts of coinage leaving them vulnerable to robbery.brummie_rob wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 22:14 It's actually safer to not be hauling cash to banks. Most independant companies are switching to card to avoid all the hassle of going.
It can't be guaranteed that for any given purchase there will be sufficient change available in the correct denominations.
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This is why I argued regularly at the two councils I worked at that parking charges have to be an amount people are likely to have in change, so £2.70 is stupid whilst £3 is more feasible. If people are paying £3 anyway because of no change...Mark Hewitt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 09:43More like a couple of reasons. The mechanisms to store and dispense change are complex and hence expensive.doebag wrote:That's a reason/excuse used by many local authorities for car park machines that don't give change. Members of staff do not have to empty/replenish them and carry large amounts of coinage leaving them vulnerable to robbery.brummie_rob wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 22:14 It's actually safer to not be hauling cash to banks. Most independant companies are switching to card to avoid all the hassle of going.
It can't be guaranteed that for any given purchase there will be sufficient change available in the correct denominations.
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Not mentioning the congestion Southbound at rush hour which can add 10 minutes because there's too many toll booths trying to merge.Mark Hewitt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 07:10 It also depends on your definition of 'instant'. Sure it requires maybe 5 minutes (if you're slow) of setting up before or after as a one time thing.
Or you're comparing driving up to a barrier. Stopping. Putting in £1.90 (assuming you've counted out £1.90 in change and had it ready the entire time). Waiting for the barrier to raise. Driving off. Now times that by thousands of cars every day.
Compared with driving through at 30/40mph.
It's about time they done it imo. Just leaves the issue with the Jarrow Northbound merge which is starting to cause problems at peak times which isn't an easy fix because of the abnormal loads lay-by / tunnel itself.
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Saw a sign on a car park machine the other day that said something like “no change given, overpayment accepted”.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 09:51This is why I argued regularly at the two councils I worked at that parking charges have to be an amount people are likely to have in change, so £2.70 is stupid whilst £3 is more feasible. If people are paying £3 anyway because of no change...Mark Hewitt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 09:43More like a couple of reasons. The mechanisms to store and dispense change are complex and hence expensive.doebag wrote:
That's a reason/excuse used by many local authorities for car park machines that don't give change. Members of staff do not have to empty/replenish them and carry large amounts of coinage leaving them vulnerable to robbery.
It can't be guaranteed that for any given purchase there will be sufficient change available in the correct denominations.
I’m told by a local councillor that the overpayment isn’t treated as part of the payment on the books as it over states the figures, instead it’s basically treated as a donation so gets allocated to a different pot.
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I would sooner they have the option of pre payment or the toll booths. It would be quite easy for someone elderly or unfamiliar to the area to forget to pay, unless they only send out a warning letter for the first offence.Mark Hewitt wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 08:07 The Tyne Tunnel have officially announced they are implementing open road ANPR rolling in November.
Payment being made on app or website, pre-paid or pay until midnight the day after or cash at Pay Point.
Cue a lot of comments saying how it's insane and unfair and they are doing doing it so they can fine people.
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They do have pre payment accounts. In fact they are the same as they've been using for years.Glenn A wrote:I would sooner they have the option of pre payment or the toll booths. It would be quite easy for someone elderly or unfamiliar to the area to forget to pay, unless they only send out a warning letter for the first offence.Mark Hewitt wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 08:07 The Tyne Tunnel have officially announced they are implementing open road ANPR rolling in November.
Payment being made on app or website, pre-paid or pay until midnight the day after or cash at Pay Point.
Cue a lot of comments saying how it's insane and unfair and they are doing doing it so they can fine people.
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Open road rolling using ANPR has gone live today. Will be interesting to see how it works out.
The likes of ANPR tolling has been a thing in the likes of London for a long while. But judging by comments people here seem confused by it.
Plus TT2 don't always seem 100% competent in imposing fines.
The likes of ANPR tolling has been a thing in the likes of London for a long while. But judging by comments people here seem confused by it.
Plus TT2 don't always seem 100% competent in imposing fines.
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Looking at Facebook apparently long delays this morning. Not clear why.
Traffic is going straight through two toll booths without barriers at I think 20mph limit.
Lots of people complaining about how having 'only two lanes' is ridiculous. Which I don't understand, tunnel is two lanes, A19 is two lanes, why would having more lanes through the plazas do anything other than make things worse?
Traffic is going straight through two toll booths without barriers at I think 20mph limit.
Lots of people complaining about how having 'only two lanes' is ridiculous. Which I don't understand, tunnel is two lanes, A19 is two lanes, why would having more lanes through the plazas do anything other than make things worse?
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Bad signage by the looks of it. On the Northbound they've got temporary signs with A187 North Shields / Wallsend right so everyone for the A19 is getting in the left lane even known you can use both lanes.Mark Hewitt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 08:32 Looking at Facebook apparently long delays this morning. Not clear why.
Traffic is going straight through two toll booths without barriers at I think 20mph limit.
Lots of people complaining about how having 'only two lanes' is ridiculous. Which I don't understand, tunnel is two lanes, A19 is two lanes, why would having more lanes through the plazas do anything other than make things worse?
Seen a few people winging it's down to one lane, can see the signage on https://www.facebook.com/tynetunnels/vi ... 441793148/ at 37 seconds or so.
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People have to jockey to get into them, given that the system is new some infrequent users will still be expecting to pay and of course going through at 20mph means less vehicles can pass that point in an hour than traffic doing 40 in the tunnel. Given the narrowness of the booths I will wager a lot of vehicles will be doing less than 20. Looking at Google Maps with traffic layers on there seems to pretty heavy congestion, Northbound looks to be congested from Leam Lane.Mark Hewitt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 08:32 Looking at Facebook apparently long delays this morning. Not clear why.
Traffic is going straight through two toll booths without barriers at I think 20mph limit.
Lots of people complaining about how having 'only two lanes' is ridiculous. Which I don't understand, tunnel is two lanes, A19 is two lanes, why would having more lanes through the plazas do anything other than make things worse?
Given that the northbound toll plaza is in Wallsend I would be concerned by the implications of slow moving traffic in the tunnel. Most times I have gone through the tunnel there were at least 4 booths open so my question is why only 2 ? its not as if you have to man them.