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Re: Longest-defunct road markings still visible?

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KeithW wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 13:02 I can give you an abandoned urban district on Teesside complete with road markings, street lamps and no entry signs.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.57581 ... 312!8i6656

The trees growing in the middle of the road are a bit of a give away.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.57602 ... 312!8i6656
This is less than a quarter of mile from the A66 dual carriageway

Redcar and Cleveland Council prefer development to take place on rural sites such as this at the junction of 2 overloaded S2 roads - go figure.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.53324 ... 312!8i6656
Seems like a waste of space. Surly just redevelop all the vacant "blocks" using a new road layout. And replace all of those horrid slab pavements. Someone is home
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jervi wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 14:42
KeithW wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 13:02 I can give you an abandoned urban district on Teesside complete with road markings, street lamps and no entry signs.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.57581 ... 312!8i6656

The trees growing in the middle of the road are a bit of a give away.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.57602 ... 312!8i6656
This is less than a quarter of mile from the A66 dual carriageway

Redcar and Cleveland Council prefer development to take place on rural sites such as this at the junction of 2 overloaded S2 roads - go figure.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.53324 ... 312!8i6656
Seems like a waste of space. Surly just redevelop all the vacant "blocks" using a new road layout. And replace all of those horrid slab pavements. Someone is home
That is one of the streets they didnt get round to 'redeveloping'. The council issued compulsory purchase orders to acquire the houses supposedly with the aim of improving some and demolishing others and building a new eco village. Then they were amazed to find they only had money to build 15 residences in the eco village. These were only available for purchase freehold and far too expensive to be bought with the proceeds from compulsory purchase of the old property.

Rather than leaving boarded up houses and empty lots they would have done better to encourage mixed private and social development there as they did at Low Grange just to the South West. It is a largely greenfield site and is the key housing development site for the Borough over the next fifteen years. Over 800 properties are to be built there, which is likely to more than enough to meet housing demand in the Borough. It was quite clear to residents that the intention was to kill off old South Bank.

To quote one
‘If the Low Grange site goes ahead it will kill off South Bank as it is in a better location, closer to the existing facilities. There is not enough demand for all the proposed sites.’

The result was as predicted - a large derelict ugly site while the nearby green fields have been opened to developers.
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linuxrocks wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 14:22 Wolverhampton Council recently repainted road markings outside a school which moved ten years ago. Who didn't get the memo?

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/loc ... oves-site/
Wolverhampton Council said it was a mistake and that they would review their procedures.

It's a pity they didn't do that after the last time they did exactly the same thing in 2015
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https://goo.gl/maps/SFdKg3YoNWESz9ti6 - There's some very faint lines left on this road for a few houses and a farm which was bypassed in May 1969 so 51 year old.
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jervi wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 18:10 1969 - apparently this section of road was bypassed in 1969 (old-maps), however still has very well surviving deflection arrows
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.25903 ... 312!8i6656
It is possible that it was still open to motor traffic for some period after, but now it is closed to motor vehicles when I cycled through it last week.
It's been signposted as a dead end for a long time, but the last I remember you could still physically get a car through (not sure if that's still the case?). Like a lot of the bits of the old A590, the entrances onto the new alignment were made to appear like small farm tracks, with the old carriageway just being left for nature to narrow down.
jervi wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 18:10 But how about renewed defunct road markings: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.25138 ... 312!8i6656
Again from memory, but those markings are actually clinging on from when the road was bypassed - they haven't been renewed, it's just that the streetview image is from c.2009 (only a year or 2 after work was completed). Nearer the new junction they were obviously burned off as there was all sorts of temporary realignments done during construction.
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mbonwick wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 00:56
jervi wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 18:10 1969 - apparently this section of road was bypassed in 1969 (old-maps), however still has very well surviving deflection arrows
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.25903 ... 312!8i6656
It is possible that it was still open to motor traffic for some period after, but now it is closed to motor vehicles when I cycled through it last week.
It's been signposted as a dead end for a long time, but the last I remember you could still physically get a car through (not sure if that's still the case?). Like a lot of the bits of the old A590, the entrances onto the new alignment were made to appear like small farm tracks, with the old carriageway just being left for nature to narrow down.
jervi wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 18:10 But how about renewed defunct road markings: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.25138 ... 312!8i6656
Again from memory, but those markings are actually clinging on from when the road was bypassed - they haven't been renewed, it's just that the streetview image is from c.2009 (only a year or 2 after work was completed). Nearer the new junction they were obviously burned off as there was all sorts of temporary realignments done during construction.
After looking at my cycle cam, the first example is still accessible both ends by motor vehicle but have no through road signs, and at least when I went through the gate was open to allow through access. On the northern end, being on a signed cycle route, the crossing of the A590 is very poor, I had to wait over 50 seconds to cross the road, there ought to be an island really.

I didn't realize the second example I gave was so recently done, I presumed it was older due to this appalling cycle provision.
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KeithW wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 13:02 I can give you an abandoned urban district on Teesside complete with road markings, street lamps and no entry signs.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.57581 ... 312!8i6656
Similar in Sheffield - though some of it has now been built on, this view from 2008 shows what it was like. Miles of streets without a single house.
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jervi wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 13:44 After looking at my cycle cam, the first example is still accessible both ends by motor vehicle but have no through road signs, and at least when I went through the gate was open to allow through access. On the northern end, being on a signed cycle route, the crossing of the A590 is very poor, I had to wait over 50 seconds to cross the road, there ought to be an island really.

I didn't realize the second example I gave was so recently done, I presumed it was older due to this appalling cycle provision.
That section of the A590 between the end of the dual carriageway and Newby Bridge roundabout is one of the worst for accidents. Mostly people turning into/emerging from the petrol station but there's a significant number of accidents at the two crossroads as well. 50 seconds is actually pretty quick for getting across there, it's often a lot longer depending how much traffic is held up by something slow moving. Good to know you can still (sort of) get along the old road - though whether you'd want to try it is another matter!

Fortunately the awful cycle provision didn't last long - it's now completely separated all the way down to the first crossroads (2018 view)
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This one's a bit of a mystery. The A11 Cringleford bypass was opened in 1975 (though the roundabout was much later) but there is still evidence of hatching - the GSV shot was from 2012 but it's still there. But I can't find any evidence of there ever having been a junction here so I don't know what it was for. It also looks like there might have been some red surfacing within the hatching, like that high friction stuff which is quite common now but were we using it that long ago?
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Looking at the threads about the B7076, this was mentioned.

The old A74 D2 bridge over a railway remains, with the markings still there (although looking at the wiki this was only in 1992)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.02308 ... a=!3m1!1e3
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jervi wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 00:58 Looking at the threads about the B7076, this was mentioned.

The old A74 D2 bridge over a railway remains, with the markings still there (although looking at the wiki this was only in 1992)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.02308 ... a=!3m1!1e3
Further north, there's remnants of the old sliproads for the B722. Dropping into streetview shows the Give Way markings for the slip road that's been removed.
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.053587, ... a=!3m1!1e3
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I've always wondered about these markings on the A912 in Perth. (Just to the left of the current lines). They have been there for as long as I can remember, and where the paint would go is actually set into the road. The current road surface even looks to have been installed around them. Can anybody shed some light on them?

https://goo.gl/maps/r2D5X325WuZiPCAU8
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paully wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 20:56 I've always wondered about these markings on the A912 in Perth. (Just to the left of the current lines). They have been there for as long as I can remember, and where the paint would go is actually set into the road. The current road surface even looks to have been installed around them. Can anybody shed some light on them?

https://goo.gl/maps/r2D5X325WuZiPCAU8
Nothing that exciting I don't think. Looks like they've tried to save money by leaving a strip of tarmac for the white lines when it came to a resurfacing. Presumably with the idea of saving on the cost of putting new markings down. Questionable whether it was worth it with the minor realignment that's occured since though!
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Horndon Road down from Horndon-on-the-Hill must have stopped being a through road to Stanford-le-Hope in the 1970s when the A13 cut across it. Yet the markings are still there, and still fairly clear. Quite a few houses along there, even down to the end of the road, but although the original surface is a little iffy in parts, it still looks fairly stable.
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