Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
There's a need to be careful when talking about "NO" signs on Special Roads. They're there by convention, not legality; a number of roads with them are not Special Roads and there are examples of non-motorway Special Roads without them.
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
Is there any reason for the difference is signage A1 nr Huntingdon and A55 N Wales. My preference would be for the A1 style rather than using words. I could well accept there are different regulation in Scotland
Also if a learner driver under instruction was to drive along the A55, who is liable the driver or the instructor?
Also if a learner driver under instruction was to drive along the A55, who is liable the driver or the instructor?
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
IIRC, that section of the A1 is not a Special Road.JohnnyMo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 15:23 Is there any reason for the difference is signage A1 nr Huntingdon and A55 N Wales. My preference would be for the A1 style rather than using words. I could well accept there are different regulation in Scotland
Also if a learner driver under instruction was to drive along the A55, who is liable the driver or the instructor?
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
Is it also relevant that they were built 30 years apart? The A55 signs are a bit reminiscent of the "Motorway NO" signs which preceded chopsticks signs.
Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
Yes I agree, the A1 is a road under a TRO henceSteven wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 15:25IIRC, that section of the A1 is not a Special Road.JohnnyMo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 15:23 Is there any reason for the difference is signage A1 nr Huntingdon and A55 N Wales. My preference would be for the A1 style rather than using words. I could well accept there are different regulation in Scotland
Also if a learner driver under instruction was to drive along the A55, who is liable the driver or the instructor?
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
Isn't that section of the A1 just to the north of the junction with the B road supposed to become motorway at some time in the not too distant future?JohnnyMo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 15:23 Is there any reason for the difference is signage A1 nr Huntingdon and A55 N Wales. My preference would be for the A1 style rather than using words. I could well accept there are different regulation in Scotland
Also if a learner driver under instruction was to drive along the A55, who is liable the driver or the instructor?
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
JohnnyMo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 15:23 Is there any reason for the difference is signage A1 nr Huntingdon and A55 N Wales. My preference would be for the A1 style rather than using words. I could well accept there are different regulation in Scotland
If only there was some standard road sign that could be used, so that where people enter a road like that, they could tell that a specific set of regulations applied without having to have every single rule spelled out in a variety of styles, wordings and symbols. That would be a really useful innovation and prevent a lot of confusion and inconsistency across the road network.KeithW wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 14:17Which is presumably what was done here on the A1 in Scotland.orudge wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 14:02 A special road would require something like this at the start of it (the AWPR is - in legal terms - a motorway, but for this amendment).
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
or Auto RoadChris5156 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 17:16 If only there was some standard road sign that could be used, so that where people enter a road like that, they could tell that a specific set of regulations applied without having to have every single rule spelled out in a variety of styles, wordings and symbols. That would be a really useful innovation and prevent a lot of confusion and inconsistency across the road network.
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
I would make it a western extension of M180, so that the signs on the nose of the M18 J5 exit sliproads don't need to be changed.
Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
I've posted this one on another thread a few years ago ( but can't remember which one )
This is the B7076 Glasgow Rd Gretna Green which is the A74(m) J 22 n/bound on slip, however it
IS escapable due to the fact that there is a field access on the right, so if you inadvertently take
your pushbike/horse & cart/shanks' pony you will be able to turn around and go back.
Just be aware of the vehicles coming at you on the "wrong side" of the road due to the faded
direction arrows.!
https://goo.gl/maps/FbVbfpNFwqPaGQrv6
This is the B7076 Glasgow Rd Gretna Green which is the A74(m) J 22 n/bound on slip, however it
IS escapable due to the fact that there is a field access on the right, so if you inadvertently take
your pushbike/horse & cart/shanks' pony you will be able to turn around and go back.
Just be aware of the vehicles coming at you on the "wrong side" of the road due to the faded
direction arrows.!
https://goo.gl/maps/FbVbfpNFwqPaGQrv6
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Re: Inescapable B-road to a motorway?
Yup.
But thanks to the parliamentary logjam created by Brexit and so as to allow the new road to open on time* (thus avoiding bad press) it was easier to amend existing legislation to allow VSLs to be applied to A roads than sort out the creation of a new 'Special Road' legislation.
* Doing this was critical to other things like the demolition of the old viaduct happening on schedule - which in part depended on getting long possessions of the ECML (only abalible a couple of time a year)