I see your A421 and raise you the A64.Debaser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 07:03 As I pointed out upthread. The pig ignorance of the public is exceeded only by that of some engineers.
Wait a bit, I go forward a few yards and find this. I fold.
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I see your A421 and raise you the A64.Debaser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 07:03 As I pointed out upthread. The pig ignorance of the public is exceeded only by that of some engineers.
Don't forget Solstice Park on - the A303. Ooh look, they even give you a bit of a turning circle!
A bit of an acceleration lane to get back onto the main road would have been nice - you aren't going to be taking that corner at much over 10mph.
Yes, and a network of decent 10-15 mile links aimed primarily at potential commuters could also create something really useful for those cyclists that want to cover the longer distances on occasion whilst avoiding using busy roads. There would be a great deal to commend that, in fact, although personally I would like to see sufficient money spent on restoring the rural bus network in parallel.crb11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 18:17Yes - I originally meant to say something about that but didn't get round to it. Basically, this introduces further groups with differing needs, but they are broadly the same categories - those who need the higher quality provision are going to be doing the shorter trips in towns, and anyone willing to cycle ten miles on a regular basis is going to be confident enough to cope with my "B roads". (Having a network of higher-quality routes for those who want to commute 10-15 miles from villages into the nearest town would be nice to have, but it's down the priority list - having a safe network inside towns so that kids can cycle to school and grow up cycling around is a prerequisite for this kind of "adult" route to get suitable use anyway.)FleetlinePhil wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:56
I can't argue with your analysis of the different groups and their needs, but surely all these are "leisure" purposes? Unless I suppose the 100+ mile group are actually paid professionals in training.
I may be wrong, but I believe Conecicker was defining "serious" use as something essential - shopping, hospital visits, seeing Mum in the old folks' home, etc, using cycling as a means of transport rather than an end in itself? That would certainly be my definition.
I think you've mixed me up with somebody else .
One trunk road which is really quite heavily used by cyclists is the A30 in Cornwall and Devon. It's quite simply the fastest route out of Cornwall, which appeals to some LEJOGers. The A30 has had a fair bit of offline dualling, but there are significant gaps. The msot notable being on the 20 miles between Bodmin and Launceston across Bodmin Moor, where there really is no real alternative.FleetlinePhil wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:40Yes, and a network of decent 10-15 mile links aimed primarily at potential commuters could also create something really useful for those cyclists that want to cover the longer distances on occasion whilst avoiding using busy roads. There would be a great deal to commend that, in fact, although personally I would like to see sufficient money spent on restoring the rural bus network in parallel.crb11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 18:17Yes - I originally meant to say something about that but didn't get round to it. Basically, this introduces further groups with differing needs, but they are broadly the same categories - those who need the higher quality provision are going to be doing the shorter trips in towns, and anyone willing to cycle ten miles on a regular basis is going to be confident enough to cope with my "B roads". (Having a network of higher-quality routes for those who want to commute 10-15 miles from villages into the nearest town would be nice to have, but it's down the priority list - having a safe network inside towns so that kids can cycle to school and grow up cycling around is a prerequisite for this kind of "adult" route to get suitable use anyway.)FleetlinePhil wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 13:56
I can't argue with your analysis of the different groups and their needs, but surely all these are "leisure" purposes? Unless I suppose the 100+ mile group are actually paid professionals in training.
I may be wrong, but I believe Conecicker was defining "serious" use as something essential - shopping, hospital visits, seeing Mum in the old folks' home, etc, using cycling as a means of transport rather than an end in itself? That would certainly be my definition.
I think you've mixed me up with somebody else .
The A1 in Northumberland, especially North of Alnwick is rather sparsely furnished with townssolocle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 13:41 Apart from a 0.7 mile dash at Sourton Down, you can then follow the old road all the way to Exeter and Honiton. While bypassing towns is an advantage for outright speed, being realistic, I'd quite like the opportunity to stop for snacks and perhaps a drink every 30 miles, so passing through the occasional town isn't a problem for me!
I suspect that, outside of Scotland and Wales, even trunk A roads pass within the vicinity of a town at most every 20 miles, seeing as how the A30 in sparsely populated Devon and Cornwall does.
I think while a "village", we can count Belford, as it has a chippy, two pubs, a coop, and a number of hotels/B&Bs! That safely gets you to Berwick within the 20 mile threshold, and then it's Nicola Sturgeon's territory.KeithW wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 14:03The A1 in Northumberland, especially North of Alnwick is rather sparsely furnished with townssolocle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 13:41 Apart from a 0.7 mile dash at Sourton Down, you can then follow the old road all the way to Exeter and Honiton. While bypassing towns is an advantage for outright speed, being realistic, I'd quite like the opportunity to stop for snacks and perhaps a drink every 30 miles, so passing through the occasional town isn't a problem for me!
I suspect that, outside of Scotland and Wales, even trunk A roads pass within the vicinity of a town at most every 20 miles, seeing as how the A30 in sparsely populated Devon and Cornwall does.
Clearly there's no demand for it, otherwise the cyclists using it would have kept the growth back and/or complained to the highway authority to get it cleared out.jervi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 18:38 Looking at dodgy cycle provision at slip roads, what about this one...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.05740 ... 92!5m1!1e1 , you may ask where? look at at GSV from 2009
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.05710 ... 56!5m1!1e1 and that's where it comes out
That's not the A23's only entry...Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 19:07Clearly there's no demand for it, otherwise the cyclists using it would have kept the growth back and/or complained to the highway authority to get it cleared out.jervi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 18:38 Looking at dodgy cycle provision at slip roads, what about this one...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.05740 ... 92!5m1!1e1 , you may ask where? look at at GSV from 2009
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.05710 ... 56!5m1!1e1 and that's where it comes out
However, they still don't allow pedestrians or cyclists on the motorways.
The good burghers of Glasgow want a word with you...
What madness are you talking about? And what does the amount of wilderness in Scotland have to do with anything?
Following the wilderness argument to it's logical(?) conclusion, if there's so much wilderness to walk in, there's no need for pedestrians to walk along the motorway surely?
+1Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 23:24Following the wilderness argument to it's logical(?) conclusion, if there's so much wilderness to walk in, there's no need for pedestrians to walk along the motorway surely?
Australia duals rural roads online because there's no need for a service road when the next town is 90km away and there are no houses anywhere in sight. It's not remotely comparable.
It may be in certain situations, but cyclists are allowed on freeways in suburban Sydney. Not something I fancy doing personallyBryn666 wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 12:06
Australia duals rural roads online because there's no need for a service road when the next town is 90km away and there are no houses anywhere in sight. It's not remotely comparable.
In densely packed urban areas cycling and walking is banned from freeways like anywhere else.
I am, of course, talking about “smart” motorways. Also I don’t approve of other HE mainstays, such as concrete central reservations (grass with a metal barrier is my preference), getting rid of hard shoulders, and an over complicated structure in general.