Pre M5 the only roads into Clevedon were B3124, B3130 and B3133. The main road at the time was the A370 between Congresbury and Bristol. Clevedon was a on branch line from the GWR which was a victim of the Beeching Axe.JRN wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 17:38 There seems to be a little disagreement upthread as to whether places that are bypassed by major strategic routes should count. For instance with Clevedon, or the Garden Cities as mentioned by others.
I would say they don't really count.
For instance in Clevedon's case, it sits on a relatively narrow strip of land between the M5 and the coast. Any through traffic along the coast is going to take the M5, while any traffic travelling the perpendicular axis to or from the coast is almost by definition not through traffic.
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There's also the small matter of the M60...
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I agree that Clevedon has been bypassed by the M5. As for the Garden Cities, in both cases neither of them were on the A1/Great North Road in the first place, so the "bypass" predates their existence.JRN wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 17:38There seems to be a little disagreement upthread as to whether places that are bypassed by major strategic routes should count. For instance with Clevedon, or the Garden Cities as mentioned by others.
I would say they don't really count.
For instance in Clevedon's case, it sits on a relatively narrow strip of land between the M5 and the coast. Any through traffic along the coast is going to take the M5, while any traffic travelling the perpendicular axis to or from the coast is almost by definition not through traffic.
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I was going to mention Northallerton aswell but it has East Road where Tesco is missing the main street off so it doesn't count.
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Well, there's always the MoT maps available on SABRE Maps to tell anyone definitively!
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And Wellington Road was built specifically to allow mail coaches to avoid the steep streets of central Stockport so is arguably one of our first ever bypasses.
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I think Northallerton counts as having been bypassed. In 1923 the A1 went smack through the middle of it along what is now the A167
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https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A167 wrote: Section 1: Topcliffe to Northallerton
This stretch can claim to be one of the forerunners of the A1 although the A168 and the present A1 routes were concurrent. In fact the Ministry first included the A167 in the original designation before hurriedly changing it when they realised that everyone used the more westerly route past Scotch Corner.
From the SABRE Wiki: A167 :
A long north-south route in northeast England, the A167 has been much lengthened over the years. Almost all of what is described below was at one time the A1 - and as that road has been rerouted or upgraded the A167 has taken over more of it.
This stretch can claim to be one of the forerunners of the A1 although the A168 and the present A1 routes were concurrent. In fact the Ministry first included the A167 in the original designation before hurriedly changing it
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...which when being planned and built was called "M63 Stockport East-West Bypass" rather than "Manchester ORR".
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And for those who don't know, that's because at the time the Manchester ORR was meant to follow what is now the A555 and unbuilt A6(M) with a loop back towards Sale. That bit of the M63 was never intended to be as major as it is hence the numerous D2M bits that had to be widened on the cheap in desperation in 1998/99.
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One point I'm not sure of is at what date they dropped the proposed route from the present M60 (between junctions junctions 5 and 6) to M56 J5. By the time the Metrolink airport line was routed along part of it, a block of flats had carelessly been built on it.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 15:01 And for those who don't know, that's because at the time the Manchester ORR was meant to follow what is now the A555 and unbuilt A6(M) with a loop back towards Sale. That bit of the M63 was never intended to be as major as it is hence the numerous D2M bits that had to be widened on the cheap in desperation in 1998/99.
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The roads through the town are an awful mix of partially upgraded dual-carriageway projects like Burdock Way (that goes nowhere) and some more modern bits like Huddersfield Road, but they are still well-built up sections. Perhaps the only good part is the short section of D2 through Orange St. Roundabout but I think it hardly counts as a bypass given it dissipates onto a 30 mph S2 at one end and the S2 A58 on the other end.
It's ironic given Elland, just up the hill, has a better bypass.
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Doesn't the M62 pass a fairly short distance south of Halifax?tom66 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 22:05 I'd have to say Halifax is a contender, population 88k in 2011 census.
The roads through the town are an awful mix of partially upgraded dual-carriageway projects like Burdock Way (that goes nowhere) and some more modern bits like Huddersfield Road, but they are still well-built up sections. Perhaps the only good part is the short section of D2 through Orange St. Roundabout but I think it hardly counts as a bypass given it dissipates onto a 30 mph S2 at one end and the S2 A58 on the other end.
It's ironic given Elland, just up the hill, has a better bypass.
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Good call. Even the M60 goes pretty much through, rather than around.