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‘No motor vehicles’ sign on motorway

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The rebuilt secret exit from the M6 at Yarnfield (between J14-15) has a ‘no motor vehicles’ sign https://goo.gl/maps/k2C63bN7GJmkrtFH6

I don’t recall ever seeing this on a motorway before. Normally I think it’s a blue sign saying police / authorised vehicles only. Is this an error or am I just not very observant?
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Probably more of the latter since it must be since the 2011 amendment regs that this is the authorised sign for motorway compounds and emergency accesses.
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Historically No Entry or No Vehicles signs were used at such sites - see the M11 for good examples of the latter.
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Catthorpe - Google Maps

Problem is that it looks like they've used the same signs on the local road side of things :shock:
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solocle wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:38 Catthorpe - Google Maps

Problem is that it looks like they've used the same signs on the local road side of things :shock:
That's definitely asking for trouble. :shock:
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The new turn around point on the M23 has no motor vehicle signs, and so does the A14's emergency accesses. I'd say that the no motor vehicle sign is much better than a white on blue "authorised vehicles only" since the roundel is a prescribed sign and its purpose is obvious for everyone (including non-english speakers).

Not sure how legal "authorised vechiles only" or similar signs actually are. Emergency accesses also usually lack AMIs, so if you did manage to use one legally, you could go onto to break any variable speed limit too (until the next MS4/AMI)
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Bryn666 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:40
solocle wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:38 Catthorpe - Google Maps

Problem is that it looks like they've used the same signs on the local road side of things :shock:
That's definitely asking for trouble. :shock:
Not so long ago I conducted a cheeky incursion at one such location, following the letter of the regulations.

I was curious whether it would be possible to just walk onto the M4 without a prohibitive sign! In that case, thankfully, it was not.
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This one on the M25 has a "Police Patrol Vehicles Only" sign completely hidden by an "End of Motorway Regulations" immediately in front. It's not apparent who the latter is actually aimed at

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5714593 ... 384!8i8192
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WHBM wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:25 This one on the M25 has a "Police Patrol Vehicles Only" sign completely hidden by an "End of Motorway Regulations" immediately in front. It's not apparent who the latter is actually aimed at

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5714593 ... 384!8i8192
Then motorway regulations end again at the gate! :lol:
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jervi wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:44 The new turn around point on the M23 has no motor vehicle signs, and so does the A14's emergency accesses. I'd say that the no motor vehicle sign is much better than a white on blue "authorised vehicles only" since the roundel is a prescribed sign and its purpose is obvious for everyone (including non-english speakers).

Not sure how legal "authorised vechiles only" or similar signs actually are. Emergency accesses also usually lack AMIs, so if you did manage to use one legally, you could go onto to break any variable speed limit too (until the next MS4/AMI)
Using a "no motor vehicle" sign does seem better and clearer than any worded sign. I would go further and say that a "No Entry" sign with an except authorised vehicles plate underneath would be better still; it's more instantly recognizable from a distance than the no motor vehicle sign, and its use is basically universal worldwide.
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magd1272 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 00:31 The rebuilt secret exit from the M6 at Yarnfield (between J14-15) has a ‘no motor vehicles’ sign https://goo.gl/maps/k2C63bN7GJmkrtFH6

I don’t recall ever seeing this on a motorway before. Normally I think it’s a blue sign saying police / authorised vehicles only. Is this an error or am I just not very observant?
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JRN wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 16:52
jervi wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:44 The new turn around point on the M23 has no motor vehicle signs, and so does the A14's emergency accesses. I'd say that the no motor vehicle sign is much better than a white on blue "authorised vehicles only" since the roundel is a prescribed sign and its purpose is obvious for everyone (including non-english speakers).

Not sure how legal "authorised vechiles only" or similar signs actually are. Emergency accesses also usually lack AMIs, so if you did manage to use one legally, you could go onto to break any variable speed limit too (until the next MS4/AMI)
Using a "no motor vehicle" sign does seem better and clearer than any worded sign. I would go further and say that a "No Entry" sign with an except authorised vehicles plate underneath would be better still; it's more instantly recognizable from a distance than the no motor vehicle sign, and its use is basically universal worldwide.
It's definitely an improvement, but I'd prefer the "no motor vehicles" signs to be a bit smaller and positioned in such a way that they plainly apply only to the access road. The ones on the M23 are so large and so far ahead of the actual exit that they appear to apply to the mainline. I doubt anybody seriously thinks they apply to the whole M23 but it seems silly to introduce that sort of ambiguity.
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This one also has nothing:
https://goo.gl/maps/ZoB3xoCtxQ8LykCw5
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magd1272 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 00:31 The rebuilt secret exit from the M6 at Yarnfield (between J14-15) has a ‘no motor vehicles’ sign https://goo.gl/maps/k2C63bN7GJmkrtFH6

I don’t recall ever seeing this on a motorway before. Normally I think it’s a blue sign saying police / authorised vehicles only. Is this an error or am I just not very observant?
Not quite so secret !
This refurb is for HGV access to the HS2 maintenance depot worksite. It avoids use of Yarnfield Lane except for a very short distance to the depot worksite, which lies between the M6 and the HS2 main line. Following petitioning, HS2 gave an assurance that the depot works would not commence until the link with the M6 was established.
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Chris5156 wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 20:56
JRN wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 16:52
jervi wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:44 The new turn around point on the M23 has no motor vehicle signs, and so does the A14's emergency accesses. I'd say that the no motor vehicle sign is much better than a white on blue "authorised vehicles only" since the roundel is a prescribed sign and its purpose is obvious for everyone (including non-english speakers).

Not sure how legal "authorised vechiles only" or similar signs actually are. Emergency accesses also usually lack AMIs, so if you did manage to use one legally, you could go onto to break any variable speed limit too (until the next MS4/AMI)
Using a "no motor vehicle" sign does seem better and clearer than any worded sign. I would go further and say that a "No Entry" sign with an except authorised vehicles plate underneath would be better still; it's more instantly recognizable from a distance than the no motor vehicle sign, and its use is basically universal worldwide.
It's definitely an improvement, but I'd prefer the "no motor vehicles" signs to be a bit smaller and positioned in such a way that they plainly apply only to the access road. The ones on the M23 are so large and so far ahead of the actual exit that they appear to apply to the mainline. I doubt anybody seriously thinks they apply to the whole M23 but it seems silly to introduce that sort of ambiguity.
It always annoys me if prohibition signs are positioned in such a way as to create any uncertainty, even if unlikely.
The prohibited traffic signs for the new A14 at Bar Hill are angled such that they might appear to apply to the roundabout rather than the sliproad. Unlikely to be interpreted that way, but still seems wrong:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.25744 ... 8192?hl=en

And FWIW I think that "No Entry" + exceptions should be the standard anywhere "normal" traffic doesn't need to access.
i.e. anywhere that only authorised vehicles that would know who they are can go, such as the above motorway examples, but also e.g. bus gates for local busses only.
It's clearer and higher impact than using white-on-blue "positive instruction" signs plus an "only" plate underneath, or even using "no motor vehicles" or "no vehicles" signs with exceptions underneath.
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JRN wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 23:28
Chris5156 wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 20:56
JRN wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 16:52

Using a "no motor vehicle" sign does seem better and clearer than any worded sign. I would go further and say that a "No Entry" sign with an except authorised vehicles plate underneath would be better still; it's more instantly recognizable from a distance than the no motor vehicle sign, and its use is basically universal worldwide.
It's definitely an improvement, but I'd prefer the "no motor vehicles" signs to be a bit smaller and positioned in such a way that they plainly apply only to the access road. The ones on the M23 are so large and so far ahead of the actual exit that they appear to apply to the mainline. I doubt anybody seriously thinks they apply to the whole M23 but it seems silly to introduce that sort of ambiguity.
It always annoys me if prohibition signs are positioned in such a way as to create any uncertainty, even if unlikely.
The prohibited traffic signs for the new A14 at Bar Hill are angled such that they might appear to apply to the roundabout rather than the sliproad. Unlikely to be interpreted that way, but still seems wrong:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.25744 ... 8192?hl=en

And FWIW I think that "No Entry" + exceptions should be the standard anywhere "normal" traffic doesn't need to access.
i.e. anywhere that only authorised vehicles that would know who they are can go, such as the above motorway examples, but also e.g. bus gates for local busses only.
It's clearer and higher impact than using white-on-blue "positive instruction" signs plus an "only" plate underneath, or even using "no motor vehicles" or "no vehicles" signs with exceptions underneath.
Last time I was at that roundabout, I was on my bike, and the legal route to continue to St Ives was down the A14! Since I was leading a group, didn't go that way, and instead turned down the at the time unfinished A1307. It did mean riding contraflow up the eastbound on slip at Swavesey to get between two lines of traffic cones, but better than the alternative...
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Big L wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 20:00
magd1272 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 00:31 The rebuilt secret exit from the M6 at Yarnfield (between J14-15) has a ‘no motor vehicles’ sign https://goo.gl/maps/k2C63bN7GJmkrtFH6

I don’t recall ever seeing this on a motorway before. Normally I think it’s a blue sign saying police / authorised vehicles only. Is this an error or am I just not very observant?
Doxey has a no-entry with a plate below.
Have they red-line boundary'd that one, claiming it's outside of the work area so not changed?
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For those who want no entry signs, this would only be suitable if traffic was prohibited on one direction on a road otherwise open to traffic i.e. there is no entry but there is an exit. Diagram 616 is like double white line systems (which mean keep to the lest of the line and not 'do not cross') in that lazy use by designers confuse road users as to the correct meaning.
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Bomag wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:39 For those who want no entry signs, this would only be suitable if traffic was prohibited on one direction on a road otherwise open to traffic i.e. there is no entry but there is an exit. Diagram 616 is like double white line systems (which mean keep to the lest of the line and not 'do not cross') in that lazy use by designers confuse road users as to the correct meaning.
I get that usually No Entry signs are used at one end of a one-way road, but is this the only only prescribed use?
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