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the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 13:39
You also have a good example of how roads some distance away can be relieved. Before the M1 east of Leeds was built I'd have used the M18 and A1.
Which road I choose depends on where I am headed, for East London I tend to use A1(M)/A1/A14/M11
For West London it depends on the traffic on the day, as often as not Google Maps sends me via A1(M)/M18/M1
NICK 647063 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 20:41
The A64 in Leeds is an example it was massively relieved by the building of the M1 east of Leeds, I’m a bit young to remember but I know a man who used to do the A64 into Leeds daily he said that overnight the traffic vanished, he then left work in Leeds and had to go back in at morning rush hour prior to covid and said it was actually worse than before the M1…….. I said but imagine it with that traffic growth and no M1, I think the biggest change is the reduction in HGV’s and the removal of long distance traffic, although the A64 was never downgraded it simply benefited from the M1, obviously the insane amount of traffic lights on the A64 doesn’t now help!
You also have a good example of how roads some distance away can be relieved. Before the M1 east of Leeds was built I'd have used the M18 and A1.
From my point of view, it relieved the A642 through Garforth and Oulton - this would be the preferred route from York to the M62 and Manchester. It cut the corner off instead of going via Ferrybridge, and also avoided the run through Leeds on the A64. Bonus points if you used the A162/B1217 to avoid the deathtrap crossroads at Bramham.
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Then there is Hatfield, the last place to be by passed on the A1 south of Stannington, Northumberland. Just over a mile of S2 misery was replaced by a very nice D3M in a tunnel that eliminated long distance traffic through the town and has a shopping centre built over the southern portal. One of my faves of a by pass as it was so complete in its aims.
Pretty much all of the former National Primary (N) routes here in Ireland were downgraded to Regional road (R) status after they were replaced with motorways which also took their numbering.
Within the M50 C-ring motorway of Dublin, all the radial N routes were also downgraded to R routes, a stupid decision in my humble opinion.
And usually their speed limits were also downgraded from 100 KPH to 80 KPH, often unnecessarily...
The A38 was downgraded to a B road through Aston when the Aston Expressway was opened in 1972, possibly because only local traffic would be using the old A38.
Glenn A wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 19:01
The A38 was downgraded to a B road through Aston when the Aston Expressway was opened in 1972, possibly because only local traffic would be using the old A38.
Isn't it the A5127?
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Glenn A wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 19:01
The A38 was downgraded to a B road through Aston when the Aston Expressway was opened in 1972, possibly because only local traffic would be using the old A38.
Isn't it the A5127?
Yes, it is. Non-primary, but still class I.
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Glenn A wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 18:56
Then there is Hatfield, the last place to be by passed on the A1 south of Stannington, Northumberland. Just over a mile of S2 misery was replaced by a very nice D3M in a tunnel that eliminated long distance traffic through the town and has a shopping centre built over the southern portal. One of my faves of a by pass as it was so complete in its aims.
The old A55 between Abergele and Conwy is now A547 - again, still Class I but now non-primary.
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The A55 is the main road in North Wales. It is a very high quality road, much of it rebuilt in the 1990s, which today forms the main road linking Chester to Holyhead. Apart from the Britannia Bridge, which remains S2, and a short bit of S2 in Holyhead, it is wholly D2. Some sections of the A55 are even a secret motorway.
It is the busiest and most congested road in the region due to its
The A66 has been upgraded over several sections and that is process is still ongoing. I doubt the A67 has lost much traffic, its a road that in the main serves Barnard Castle, if anything traffic to the Glaxo plant will have increased given that its involved in producing covid vaccine precursors. As for the A685 it was deliberately restricted to prevent HGVs using it as a short cut from the A66 at Brough to the M6 at Tebay. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.52400 ... 384!8i8192
The A61 lost traffic to the M1 of course
The A58 has definitely been downgraded but that I suspect is due to the extension of the M1 to Hook Moor
The A1079 has not really changed as traffic growth has wiped out any diversion by the M62/A1(M).
The A19 between York and Thirsk has been improved by the building of the Easingwold bypass and the York ring road. Heading south of York if anything things were considerably improved by the A63 Selby bypass, before it was built getting past Selby was a major pain. There was a diversion via various back roads to Cawood but that was a light vehicle only route as the Swing Bridge is narrow and has a 10 ton weight limit. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.83328 ... 384!8i8192
The problem in that part of the world is that there are relarively few bridges over the Ouse between Selby and York
The A677 between Blackburn and Haslingden was changed to B6236 in 1997 to discourage its use when the M65 was finished. The inferior quality but far busier as it connected to the A56 directly B6232 as the same time was renumbered to A6177 and then changed six years later when the duplication of the Bradford Inner Ring Road was pointed out.
It's now back to B6232 east of the M65 with a 7.5t weight limit to discourage its use between Blackburn and Haslingden... The B6232 into Blackburn is now A6077 in a rare example of roads being upgraded after motorways are built.
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Glenn A wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 19:01
The A38 was downgraded to a B road through Aston when the Aston Expressway was opened in 1972, possibly because only local traffic would be using the old A38.
Interesting they have signed Lichfield (just off the A38) round the inner ring road further, then to the A47, as opposed to on the A38.
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