New Mersey Crossing

[Bryn666]

Guess what guys? I forgot to pay the MG toll before midnight yesterday.

Paid it this morning... still £2.00.

That's reasonable and it shows you get a time period to rectify an omission. Satisfied with that.

[James]

I used the bridge recently, I was travelling to St Helens but some issues on the M6 ment Google decided the bridge was much faster

Nice and easy crossing and I paid later that day with no issues

Bad points:
M56 J12 really should be freeflow to the new road. Its the usual case of bodging the junction which lets it down

On the north side, picked up the A557 which was bumper to bumber due to traffic lights on what should be another free flowing GSJ'd road. Im not sure what that point is of the roundabout is either!
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 17&layer=0

[fras]

Guess what guys? I forgot to pay the MG toll before midnight yesterday.

Paid it this morning... still £2.00.

That's reasonable and it shows you get a time period to rectify an omission. Satisfied with that.

Hmm, don't be so sure. Have you checked whether it has been allocated to your crossing ? If you haven't, go into the option "check for paid crossings" and see if you still have credit.

[fras]

I used the bridge recently, I was travelling to St Helens but some issues on the M6 ment Google decided the bridge was much faster

Nice and easy crossing and I paid later that day with no issues

Bad points:
M56 J12 really should be freeflow to the new road. Its the usual case of bodging the junction which lets it down

On the north side, picked up the A557 which was bumper to bumber due to traffic lights on what should be another free flowing GSJ'd road. Im not sure what that point is of the roundabout is either!
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 17&layer=0

Roundabout is so you can back-out of crossing the bridge if you've made a mistake with your navigation. There is a sign on approach that shows the way back for those wanting to bail-out. The traffic lights are at a really dreadful junction at the Simm's Cross retail park. This attracts mega-traffic and the signalised roundabout is now totally inadequate. It's a bit like Tibbs Causeway near the M5, the traffic build-up as the retail park has developed has now overwhelmed the roads network. The various exits to east and west want moving up above to let the A557 sweep through unobstructed

[fras]

I used the bridge recently, I was travelling to St Helens but some issues on the M6 ment Google decided the bridge was much faster

Nice and easy crossing and I paid later that day with no issues

Bad points:
M56 J12 really should be freeflow to the new road. Its the usual case of bodging the junction which lets it down

On the north side, picked up the A557 which was bumper to bumber due to traffic lights on what should be another free flowing GSJ'd road. Im not sure what that point is of the roundabout is either!
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 17&layer=0

Roundabout is so you can back-out of crossing the bridge if you've made a mistake with your navigation, because no access from this roundabout has been provided via A557 to the old bridge. There is a sign on its approach that shows the way back for those wanting to bail-out. The traffic lights are at the flat junction half a mile back that allows access to the old bridge, and then a short distance away is the really dreadful junction at the Simm's Cross retail park. This attracts mega-traffic and the signalised roundabout is now totally inadequate. It's a bit like Tibbs Causeway near the M5, the traffic build-up as the retail park has developed has now overwhelmed the roads network. The various exits to east and west want moving up above to let the A557 sweep through unobstructed

[Bryn666]

Guess what guys? I forgot to pay the MG toll before midnight yesterday.

Paid it this morning... still £2.00.

That's reasonable and it shows you get a time period to rectify an omission. Satisfied with that.

Hmm, don't be so sure. Have you checked whether it has been allocated to your crossing ? If you haven't, go into the option "check for paid crossings" and see if you still have credit.

I'm not registered with the site, I do a one off payment and it checks your registration against their ANPR records and tells you how much you owe.

£2.00

All this "they'll get you if you go late by two seconds" stuff is paranoid nonsense.

[fras]

This seems to confirm experience of Dart Crossing run by same firm, who have demonstrated their goodwill many times for threads posted on 'pepipoo.com'.

[RichardA35]

This seems to confirm experience of Dart Crossing run by same firm, who have demonstrated their goodwill many times for threads posted on 'pepipoo.com'.

I'd be interested to understand what evidence there is that both crossings are run by the same firm.
It's certainly escaped me to date, given one is in HE area 5 and the other in a local authority area.

[Berk]

Guess what guys? I forgot to pay the MG toll before midnight yesterday.

Paid it this morning... still £2.00.

That's reasonable and it shows you get a time period to rectify an omission. Satisfied with that.

Hmm, don't be so sure. Have you checked whether it has been allocated to your crossing ? If you haven't, go into the option "check for paid crossings" and see if you still have credit.

I'm not registered with the site, I do a one off payment and it checks your registration against their ANPR records and tells you how much you owe.

£2.00

All this "they'll get you if you go late by two seconds" stuff is paranoid nonsense.

That’s the way it should be - much quicker than the Humber Bridge (you have to keep checking online, up to a week before your details show up).

(must admit, my first thoughts on seeing this thread were “they’re not still whinging and whining about paying the toll, are they??” )

[fras]

This seems to confirm experience of Dart Crossing run by same firm, who have demonstrated their goodwill many times for threads posted on 'pepipoo.com'.

I'd be interested to understand what evidence there is that both crossings are run by the same firm.
It's certainly escaped me to date, given one is in HE area 5 and the other in a local authority area.

Read this page of their website: -
https://www.merseyflow.co.uk/about-merseyflow

[Bryn666]

Not quite.

While the back office system that runs these separate crossings is the same, that does not make them run by the same firm.

Mersey Gateway, M50 eFlow, and Le Crossing are all separate companies.

[Berk]

Not quite.

While the back office system that runs these separate crossings is the same, that does not make them run by the same firm.

Mersey Gateway, M50 eFlow, and Le Crossing are all separate companies.

This page (on Abertis’ site) provides some more information.

Click on the emovis link, and it reveals itself to be an Abertis company.

[RichardA35]

Not quite.

While the back office system that runs these separate crossings is the same, that does not make them run by the same firm.

Mersey Gateway, M50 eFlow, and Le Crossing are all separate companies.

A sub-contractor executing the policy of the concessionaire/LA/SoS but it's the concessionaire/Local Authority/SoS that draws up the policy and decides how hard it will be enforced.

[Bendo]

Guess what guys? I forgot to pay the MG toll before midnight yesterday.

Paid it this morning... still £2.00.

That's reasonable and it shows you get a time period to rectify an omission. Satisfied with that.

Hmm, don't be so sure. Have you checked whether it has been allocated to your crossing ? If you haven't, go into the option "check for paid crossings" and see if you still have credit.

I'm not registered with the site, I do a one off payment and it checks your registration against their ANPR records and tells you how much you owe.

£2.00

Hmm that is odd as the Merseyflow site does not actually check how much you owe before making a payment, it asks you for your vehicle details and the number of crossings you want to pay for but that is not linked in any way to the crossings you may or may not have made.

There is a lookup here - https://www.merseyflow.co.uk/check-for-paid-crossings which lets you check whether the payment was used to pay for a crossing or has gone down as a credit for your next crossing,

[Bryn666]

And I owe them nothing, to quote Bros in their 1980s peak.

Suggestions they will send a snatch squad to murder your family if you pay 7 hours late are still totally unproven then? Wonder why generically people get so excited about spreading FUD?

[Berk]

Hmm, don't be so sure. Have you checked whether it has been allocated to your crossing ? If you haven't, go into the option "check for paid crossings" and see if you still have credit.

I'm not registered with the site, I do a one off payment and it checks your registration against their ANPR records and tells you how much you owe.

£2.00

Hmm that is odd as the Merseyflow site does not actually check how much you owe before making a payment, it asks you for your vehicle details and the number of crossings you want to pay for but that is not linked in any way to the crossings you may or may not have made.

There is a lookup here - https://www.merseyflow.co.uk/check-for-paid-crossings which lets you check whether the payment was used to pay for a crossing or has gone down as a credit for your next crossing,

It’s exactly the same at Dartford too. I find it better to pay after you’ve crossed. If you pay before, the system doesn’t really link your credit to the crossing, and it sits in limbo; meanwhile, your crossing is still unpaid.

If you have a pay as you go account, it’s fine. The system just charges you after you’ve crossed.

[fras]

It’s exactly the same at Dartford too. I find it better to pay after you’ve crossed. If you pay before, the system doesn’t really link your credit to the crossing, and it sits in limbo; meanwhile, your crossing is still unpaid.

If you have a pay as you go account, it’s fine. The system just charges you after you’ve crossed.

I have always paid in advance for Dartford crossings I make, usually on the way back from holiday in Germany. I have never had any trouble with this. The credit is for the registration number entered, how can it not link to a crossing detected by their ANPR cameras ?

[trigpoint]

Just come to this tread after travelling back from Ikea that way, usually do 'the loop' A49 and Thelwell, or straight through Warrington, going then return over the Runcorn bridge and back down the A41, I knew there was a new bridge and, as many say £2 is nothing, had I been able to simply pay £2 cash or card like I do regularly I would not have been reading this thread.

The signs whilst big are vague, they simply say pay at Merseyflow. There is no .co.uk, .com, .org.uk you simply have to trust your search engine that you haven't paid a scam site or I should be ok as I trusted sabre.

The signs give no indication of how to pay if you do not do 'online', whilst I can see you can pay by paypoint. Without a computer I would not know that and I am not sure if I walked into a local paypoint shop and said I want to pay the Mersey Toll they would know what I am talking about.

Until this thread I had never heard of Halton, but now know evertthing I need to know, as others have said 'a local bridge for local people. It will be return the same way, or maybe the Mersey Tunnels.

[fras]

Just come to this tread after travelling back from Ikea that way, usually do 'the loop' A49 and Thelwell, or straight through Warrington, going then return over the Runcorn bridge and back down the A41, I knew there was a new bridge and, as many say £2 is nothing, had I been able to simply pay £2 cash or card like I do regularly I would not have been reading this thread.

The signs whilst big are vague, they simply say pay at Merseyflow. There is no .co.uk, .com, .org.uk you simply have to trust your search engine that you haven't paid a scam site or I should be ok as I trusted sabre.

The signs give no indication of how to pay if you do not do 'online', whilst I can see you can pay by paypoint. Without a computer I would not know that and I am not sure if I walked into a local paypoint shop and said I want to pay the Mersey Toll they would know what I am talking about.

Until this thread I had never heard of Halton, but now know evertthing I need to know, as others have said 'a local bridge for local people. It will be return the same way, or maybe the Mersey Tunnels.

And you can't forget to pay the tunnel tolls as they still have toll-booths ! Why they can't just have a side park with a toll payment booth or machine for those who haven't paid is beyond me; it would cost little to run but.....ah, I forgot, it would reduce the lucrative revenue stream from penalty charges !

[Bryn666]

It would cost sufficient to run that the bridge tolls would be above £2.00 which in turn would affect the economic case for the bridge.

This conspiracy lark about people wanting to bring in lots of revenue is lovely tin foil hat stuff but in the real world anyone trying that would find themselves open to charges of misconduct in a public office.

The onus is on you to know what your journey entails, that isn't entrapment. That is basic route planning.