Oldest "future-proofing" that never got used
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Oldest "future-proofing" that never got used
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a separate discussion one step on, Oldest Future Proofing, or schemes started but not finished.
I'll open with one which, as described before, I once had some peripheral professional involvement with, the Glasgow "West Street ski jumps", built about 1970, now 52 years old
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Isn't that a change of plan, rather than future proofing? I was told once that it was to do with having events in the park opposite the football stadium. No idea if that is trueJohnnyMo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:22 I raise you with this GSJ from the mid 50's -- A602 South Stevenage
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The original plan was for a grid road from here via what is now Fairlands Park to Martins Way.Herned wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:43Isn't that a change of plan, rather than future proofing? I was told once that it was to do with having events in the park opposite the football stadium. No idea if that is trueJohnnyMo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:22 I raise you with this GSJ from the mid 50's -- A602 South Stevenage
Also this "dual carriageway" was meant to be Monkswood Way. Which is why Elder Way starts here. What was planned would be something like this
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This aerial photo from during construction is the only one I can find, but this set of points is now part of the running tram line and has been since it opened in 2014. The divergent line remains a stub, intended to facilitate the completion of Phase 1b north along the Roseburn Path. I think even at the time the points were installed Phase 1b had already been "postponed" and it is not part of the current extension works which only aim to complete Phase 1a. Sensibly the points were still installed as per the original design as future-proofing with the assumption that Phase 1b would be completed one day.
Indeed, the plan does still seem to be continued expansion of the network over the coming decades, which would surely include the completion of Phase 1b. However, as the name suggests, Roseburn Path is a useful link in the city's active travel network which is increasingly popular with cyclists and walkers, forming part of the NCN1 and providing a useful traffic-free link over the Dean Valley. While its previous life as a railway means that it provides an excellent alignment for trams, the frequency of overbridges means that the replacement path provided alongside would often be extremely constricted. While this wasn't a concern for the original planners, who probably paid a bit less attention to active travel provision than they perhaps should have, compromising an active travel route as part of a public transport scheme now seems very counterproductive.
Therefore, the council has raised a new possibility - Option B2, which would keep Phase 1b on-road for its first section, routed via the A90 Queensferry Road over the Dean Bridge. This would mean it diverged from the existing line at a different place - probably a tight bend at the west end of Princes Street. This would also have the advantage of providing tram stops at 'road level' rather than at the foot of an embankment. It's still a speculative plan, so there's still every chance the original route could still be chosen - general traffic restrictions on the A90 might be required which would be very controversial for such a key route, and detailed design would be costly and might uncover further snags. The council has also indicated that bridge reconstructions could mitigate the issues with the otherwise spacious original alignment.
However, if the new option B2 is followed - or, of course, if the council changes tack and abandons 1b completely - this Roseburn Stub could easily stick around for decades as a reminder of the the old abandoned plans.
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They don't have to be new town roads. There are loads of not-very-new roads around Birmingham where there is a service road where a second carriageway was intended to be added later, some of these quite close to me on A4040, which of course was once designated the Outer Ring Road.the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:40 Quite a few new town roads have space to be dualled. See Warrington on roads.org.uk for some examples.
If you want something newer, the ski-jumps that should have carried the Middle Ring Road (A4540) over Dartmouth Circus, the junction with A38/A38(M)/A5127 are still in place, unused.
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See what's in the way? Harborne Golf Club. Golf clubs are very skilled and successful at defending their territory against road schemes. They have powerful and influential members who can pull the right strings.IAN wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 13:23 This was built some time ago 40'/50's? The plan was to link Quinton Road and Quinton Road West across the Woodgate valley with the completed road being D2. The link never happened and here we can see where the underused D2 reduces to S2 with space for D2 to continue.
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It was the policy in the city from 1917 that all the major roads were built with a 110' right of way to allow for future dualling. Many of these were never carried out.Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 13:29See what's in the way? Harborne Golf Club. Golf clubs are very skilled and successful at defending their territory against road schemes. They have powerful and influential members who can pull the right strings.IAN wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 13:23 This was built some time ago 40'/50's? The plan was to link Quinton Road and Quinton Road West across the Woodgate valley with the completed road being D2. The link never happened and here we can see where the underused D2 reduces to S2 with space for D2 to continue.
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On the other hand, the architects of Harlow liked the idea of "green wedges" dividing up the town. I haven't been back much in the last 40 years to see how things have changed. (mixture of my job taking me away, family moving and the friends I did have in school mostly leaving town).
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https://goo.gl/maps/RnQvUhn4bfBK6ny26 1970 bridge intended for the Whalley Bypass to be D2.
https://goo.gl/maps/Vrx2UPgoCT2e9fdD7 1969 stump for Prospect Hill Interchange (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/ind ... nterchange)
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From the SABRE Wiki: Prospect Hill Interchange :
Prospect Hill Interchange is a twice-proposed junction on the M6 near Preston.
When the Preston Bypass opened, a junction at Prospect Hill with an east-west route was mentioned in the opening brochure. Plans show a simple roundabout interchange at the site, with motorway links in either direction.
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In 1969, the North East Lancs Development Plan