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A GSJ may need a rigorous inspection regime of earthworks and stuctures. Maintenance is also higher.
However that is only part of the picture. Growth and value gained from a GSJ enhancing journey times should be considered.
The problem with scheme design these days is seemingly that do minimum type jobs are easier to deliver. The road is there to enable development so will be cheaply done as 'any access at lowest initial cost' is predominant political thought due to the fact when chickens return to roost the decision makers will have moved on. To quote Malcolm Tucker... NoMFuP.
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From the SABRE Wiki: Austhorpe Interchange :
Austhorpe Interchange is junction 46 of the M1.
This was originally a conventional roundabout interchange when opened in 1999, with a dumbbell to the north being added in the early 2000s (see variation order 2000, below). It is believed that the slip roads between the roundabout and northern dumbbell are under special orders.
The north western dumbbell roundabout was enlarged in 2018 to take a new dual carriageway which would, in future, form part of the
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Just looking through the planning documents there are many terms to planning been passed, many off site junction improvements must be designed and have a start date before work can start on this road, for example these are on the existing road network which will likely be effected by this scheme, one is the A64/scholes lane junction improvement. I did also notice they stated a signal phasing plan must be in place for the A64 York Road into Leeds which includes all junctions between this new road and Selby Road, I’m just wondering if this is phasing these lights to try and make the A64 less attractive or to actually phase them better?
They did state in the planning that they expected this new road to relieve some traffic from the A64 in Leeds but I don’t see how! with the building of at least 5000 new homes surely this will make traffic worse, nobody wanting to access leeds is going to go via this new road which would include loads of roundabouts, all 50 mph, a complicated junction with the M1 and then some travel on the M1 then say up the A63 into Leeds when you can just nip along the A64, I guess they are thinking it might take some of the traffic from the A64 that currently avoids crossgates who knows.
This certainly means the end of the 70mph seacroft ring road but at least it will clear up the current multiplex and just become the A64, also both roundabouts at each end are to become signal controlled this is to prioritise traffic flow to the A64 it stated.
Anyway we will wait and see but I know leeds has to put in place a clean air zone soon and the other ring road is the start and finish of this new zone.
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The plans appear to include improvements to the A6120 west of Red Hall/A58 area, which might mean dualing the section up to the existing dual. But I'm not sure - there are some indicative notes in the LCC document, but nothing for sure.
Secondly, I can see Austhorpe Interchange getting really busy - it already queues on the northbound exit slips to get onto the roundabout. It would be possible to create a new northbound slip off the M1 to the north of the existing junction to meet with the dumbbell (and the same to get onto the M1(S) just south of the dumbbell) to alleviate traffic - almost creating a Junction 46A.
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Yep. It's classic "head in the sand" engineering and traffic modelling. Now where are my sticking plasters?stu531 wrote:Agreeing with the comments above; it has 'under-engineering' written all over it, in the same way that the A1237 did when it was built. I would wager that ten years from now, folk will be in uproar about how congestion builds up around roundabouts.
The plans appear to include improvements to the A6120 west of Red Hall/A58 area, which might mean dualing the section up to the existing dual. But I'm not sure - there are some indicative notes in the LCC document, but nothing for sure.
Secondly, I can see Austhorpe Interchange getting really busy - it already queues on the northbound exit slips to get onto the roundabout. It would be possible to create a new northbound slip off the M1 to the north of the existing junction to meet with the dumbbell (and the same to get onto the M1(S) just south of the dumbbell) to alleviate traffic - almost creating a Junction 46A.
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NICK 647063 wrote: Anyway we will wait and see but I know leeds has to put in place a clean air zone soon and the other ring road is the start and finish of this new zone.
They were talking about this on the local news last time I was up there, and it was indicated that motorists wouldn't be penalised directly by this.
I agree that building it as at grade is short sighted, and also about some of the concerns re: Austhorpe (although some traffic will re-route). The effect of the thorpe park access road being closed over the last month for stabilisation works has been causing some interesting traffic dynamics at the roundabout during December during rush hour..
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The plans for the A6120 West of Red Hall are pretty much Just Junction capacity improvements, adding extra lanes through the traffic lights at Roundhay park lane and the A61 to cope with the extra volumes of traffic that will get to these Junctions quicker due to the extra capacity further south!The plans appear to include improvements to the A6120 west of Red Hall/A58 area, which might mean dualing the section up to the existing dual. But I'm not sure - there are some indicative notes in the LCC document, but nothing for sure.
Secondly, I can see Austhorpe Interchange getting really busy - it already queues on the northbound exit slips to get onto the roundabout. It would be possible to create a new northbound slip off the M1 to the north of the existing junction to meet with the dumbbell (and the same to get onto the M1(S) just south of the dumbbell) to alleviate traffic - almost creating a Junction 46A.
As you say the M1 J46 will be a nightmare as the improvements allow for very little to be done here.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/we ... -1-8959040
I suspect this could mean more delays to a road we should have had decades ago.
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I've also taken a few photos of progress on the MLLR
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From the SABRE Wiki: East Leeds Orbital Road :
The East Leeds Orbital Route (ELOR) is a dual carriageway bypass for the east of Leeds which opened on 22 August 2022, costing over £110m and travelling 7.5km between Red Hall and Manston Lane Roundabout. Together with the Manston Lane Link Road (MLLR) which links the roundabout with Austhorpe Interchange on the M1 it forms an eastern bypass of Leeds.
The first stretch of road to be constructed is the section between Austhorpe Interchange and Manston Lane.
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It's untrue to suggest that all A road work is centrally funded. The ELOR is estimated to cost £116m and is part regionally funded by the West Yorkshire Plus Development Fund and part developer funded as it will open up a large amount of land to new housing, with the MLLR being funded by development and by the City Council.LeedsKing wrote:Well, I'm astonished. Leeds is always ignored and treated as a minor city. Manchester gets a D3/4M all around, and we get 1 lane each way with some lights. This is a small step in the right direction. This is all A road work so it must be central govt funding and not the council paying for it. They have "better" things to spend it on.
https://www.leeds.gov.uk/parking-roads- ... provements
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Let me guess: your avatar is a still from the opening sequence of Life on Mars?LeedsKing wrote:Well, I'm astonished. Leeds is always ignored and treated as a minor city. Manchester gets a D3/4M all around, and we get 1 lane each way with some lights. This is a small step in the right direction. This is all A road work so it must be central govt funding and not the council paying for it. They have "better" things to spend it on.
Leeds might have come off
Every time I walk past it, I marvel at how they squeezed it all in. The only problem is that some of the acceleration lanes are too short to prevent flow on the main artery being disrupted by joining traffic.
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