M65 extension into Yorkshire

[Osthagen]

I wonder if it'd be possible to take the M65 further north, meeting the A1(M) at Dishforth for the A19?

Surely this would provide a fast link between the North East and North West, thus taking pressure off the M62?

[wrinkly]

Yorkshire Dales national park in the way.

[Robert Kilcoyne]

Yorkshire Dales national park in the way.

Routing a M65 extension would be very difficult. It could not be routed via Earby and Skipton as the Yorkshire Dales National Park would then be in the way, including the popular attraction of Bolton Abbey. Any crossing over Rombalds Moor would probably be blocked because it would pass too close to the Cow and Calf Rocks on Ilkley Moor. Even if the M65 followed the Aire Valley, which could be done in part by upgrading the dual carriageway sections of the A629 and A650 to motorway, there could then be the issues of the beauty spot at Otley Chevin, the runways at Leeds Bradford Airport and the steep hill at Pool, if the M65 was to curve northeastwards towards Harrogate and Dishforth.

[stu531]

Not quite new news, but an article of interest:
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... sion_plan/

I'd not seen that map before anywhere, and it is rather noddy - and we know it'd never happen, but it takes into account a number of ideas that've been discussed on here.

[Berk]

It’s a pity people have to be so miserable and ‘National Park’ this and that (what does that remind you of, something beginning with ‘B’ perhaps?? ). I think NSIP projects should override National Park considerations - both in fact, and in law. No-one goes to the trouble of promoting these sorts of projects for fun.

The route would improve access to Lancs from the east of the Pennines, as well as access to Leeds Bradford Airport. It would fix quite a few problems, from my point of view.

[Osthagen]

It does look good, but I’d personally prefer it to take a more northerly route. Just personal preference.

[Berk]

It does look good, but I’d personally prefer it to take a more northerly route. Just personal preference.

If you get more northerly, you’re talking A65, or A66, surely.

[Osthagen]

It does look good, but I’d personally prefer it to take a more northerly route. Just personal preference.

If you get more northerly, you’re talking A65, or A66, surely.

No. I was thinking that it could run closer to the A59.

[Berk]

Oh yeah, forgot that one. In fact, it might be more of a goer - provided it doesn’t get ‘National Parked’.

[Osthagen]

Oh yeah, forgot that one. In fact, it might be more of a goer - provided it doesn’t get ‘National Parked’.

The M27 passes though the New Forest National Park.

[Johnathan404]

...and received hundreds of complaints because of it!

[Berk]

...and received hundreds of complaints because of it!

And so did the A30 when it bypassed Okehampton.

My point is, these are roads that are part of the strategic network, therefore of national importance. If we’d made the same considerations in the 1960s, it’s likely the M62 wouldn’t have been built (and so on).

To suggest these schemes lack merit, or ‘must be’ abandoned when they just clip the edge of National Park lands (or occupy a very small, or remote part of them) seems deeply flawed as well as reactionary.

[Osthagen]

...and received hundreds of complaints because of it!

And so did the A30 when it bypassed Okehampton.

My point is, these are roads are part of the strategic network, therefore of national importance. If we’d made the same considerations in the 1960s, it’s likely the M62 wouldn’t have been built (and so on).

To suggest these schemes lack merit, or ‘must be’ abandoned when they just clip the edge of National Park lands (or occupy a very small, or remote part of them) seems deeply flawed as well as reactionary.

Did anyone protest or complain about the small section of M6 that lies within the Lake District National Park?

Really, I don’t see why having motorways in NPs is such an issue. Are motorways really that damaging to the landscape? I think not. I mean the M6 across the Lune Gorge, for example, really isn’t impactful on the scenery. In fact, Call me weird, but I’d say it enhances it.

[Owain]

Call me weird, but I’d say it enhances it.

Agreed - a proper motorway is a thing of beauty.

[Berk]

Exactly. Unless you have a very close line of sight, the motorway isn’t usually that visible from a distance.

[jackal]

You can see that Mr Jones' route avoids the Dales NP (in green) and indeed the Nidderdale AONB (not shown but adjoins to the SE). A more northerly route would enter one or both of these, and furthermore would of less use to the main population centres in the area, so it's hard to see why you'd want to do that.

I think it's too ambitious to have the split at the eastern end, and would rather see one route intermediate between them across to the A1/A64 interchange:

[Norfolktolancashire]

Not quite new news, but an article of interest:
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... sion_plan/

I'd not seen that map before anywhere, and it is rather noddy - and we know it'd never happen, but it takes into account a number of ideas that've been discussed on here.

The article goes on to report a local councillor saying we should concentrate on the railway to Skipton instead of a motorway, well that should sort out the issue of the lack of decent transport links across this area of the Pennines

The M65 should link up to The A64/A1 junction as another poster has said, trying to get a motorway anywhere near the Conservative stronghold of Harrogate will never happen.

[Pendlemac]

[quote="McNessA720"Did anyone protest or complain about the small section of M6 that lies within the Lake District National Park?[/quote]

Can you show me where that is on a map as I can't find it.

The National Park has been extended to abut the motorway but the motorway has NEVER, EVER gone through the park!

[Osthagen]

Did anyone protest or complain about the small section of M6 that lies within the Lake District National Park?

Can you show me where that is on a map as I can't find it.

The National Park has been extended to abut the motorway but the motorway has NEVER, EVER gone through the park!

It does, actually. South of Penrith and close to the village of Thrimby.

[6637]

Not quite new news, but an article of interest:
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... sion_plan/

I'd not seen that map before anywhere, and it is rather noddy - and we know it'd never happen, but it takes into account a number of ideas that've been discussed on here.

If I'm not misreading that map, it seems to plough directly through loads and loads of existing urban areas?