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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by SteelCamel » Mon Jun 14, 2021 20:11

Patrick Harper wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 22:40
Pretty sure this thing is non-standard.
Non-standard, certainly, but it seems to be a mostly accurate depiction of the very non-standard junction. (A half-hamburger with a merge in the middle of the roundabout???). I'm not sure how else you would show it. Now this one could certainly use some improvement.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Rambo » Mon Jun 14, 2021 20:15

the cheesecake man wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 13:38
I've posted examples before of conflicting white non-primary and green primary signs for the same road, but this is the first time I've seen them on the same ******* post! :bang:
Bradford seem to be like my local council. They enjoy mixing old and new together.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by graeme_t » Mon Jun 14, 2021 21:09

SteelCamel wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 20:11
Patrick Harper wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 22:40
Pretty sure this thing is non-standard.
Non-standard, certainly, but it seems to be a mostly accurate depiction of the very non-standard junction. (A half-hamburger with a merge in the middle of the roundabout???). I'm not sure how else you would show it.
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It's of a similar form to this outside Colchester (North) station.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by SouthWest Philip » Mon Jun 14, 2021 21:24

Rambo wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 20:15
the cheesecake man wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 13:38
I've posted examples before of conflicting white non-primary and green primary signs for the same road, but this is the first time I've seen them on the same ******* post! :bang:
Bradford seem to be like my local council. They enjoy mixing old and new together.
Another question worth asking is if the best route Keighley is by using the massive non-primary dual carriageway through the middle of town rather than a primary ring-road (A6177) cobbled together from residential streets, why isn't the direct route via the dual carriageway (A650) a primary route?

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by the cheesecake man » Tue Jun 15, 2021 13:12

How did the thought process behind this one go?

What's that font we're supposed to use on motorway signs?
Motorway? Nope
Transport? No I don't think so
Transport Medium? Maybe not
Transport Heavy? Can't be that's far too logical
The same font as the sign opposite? No far too sensible.
Some unique concoction vaguely resembling Arial? Yes that's it!

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Chris5156 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 02:20

the cheesecake man wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 13:12
Some unique concoction vaguely resembling Arial? Yes that's it!
Not Arial, just Transport, but the wrong version - that's Transport Heavy being used for light-on-dark text which makes it look far too chunky. They've also messed up the alignment of each block and they've just used big numbers for the motorway number instead of Motorway itself.

I might set up a new company manufacturing road signs staffed entirely by monkeys throwing their excrement at each other. I reckon I'd get plenty of business.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by ellandback » Wed Jun 16, 2021 13:03

I thought it was a bit odd that I'd never noticed that one before and indeed you don't have to scroll too far back through the Google timeline to see the sign it replaced, which does seem to have managed to use the correct motorway typeface.

So often on this thread we see wrongness just being copied like-for-like; here they apparently made a conscious decision to change what wasn't wrong in the first place.

BTW should the LBA sign immediately beneath be black-on-white at this location or is that wrong too?

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by the cheesecake man » Wed Jun 16, 2021 13:39

ellandback wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 13:03

BTW should the LBA sign immediately beneath be black-on-white at this location or is that wrong too?
Good point! No it's a motorway it should jolly well be blue. :roll:

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by jervi » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20

So I was driving down the A1 a few days ago like I have many times before, but this time I noticed there was no NSL sign at the end of the motorway section
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.36106 ... 312!8i6656
Does this mean the speed limit goes from Motorway Reg to 30? Does there need to be a NSL sign co-located with the end of motorway regulations?

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Conekicker » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:07

jervi wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20
So I was driving down the A1 a few days ago like I have many times before, but this time I noticed there was no NSL sign at the end of the motorway section
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.36106 ... 312!8i6656
Does this mean the speed limit goes from Motorway Reg to 30? Does there need to be a NSL sign co-located with the end of motorway regulations?
Yes and yes.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Chris Bertram » Thu Jun 17, 2021 15:12

Conekicker wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:07
jervi wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20
So I was driving down the A1 a few days ago like I have many times before, but this time I noticed there was no NSL sign at the end of the motorway section
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.36106 ... 312!8i6656
Does this mean the speed limit goes from Motorway Reg to 30? Does there need to be a NSL sign co-located with the end of motorway regulations?
Yes and yes.
It's a bit lacking in NSL repeaters on the lamp-posts as well. This is something I spotted on the Red House to Barnsdale Bar section last time I was on it, but nobody, literally nobody was keeping down to 30.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bryn666 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 17:01

Chris Bertram wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 15:12
Conekicker wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:07
jervi wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20
So I was driving down the A1 a few days ago like I have many times before, but this time I noticed there was no NSL sign at the end of the motorway section
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.36106 ... 312!8i6656
Does this mean the speed limit goes from Motorway Reg to 30? Does there need to be a NSL sign co-located with the end of motorway regulations?
Yes and yes.
It's a bit lacking in NSL repeaters on the lamp-posts as well. This is something I spotted on the Red House to Barnsdale Bar section last time I was on it, but nobody, literally nobody was keeping down to 30.
Interestingly, HE have recently (finally) put NSL repeaters on the A56 between the M66 and A682 turn off. The lighting here was installed in the 1990s and never had repeaters. The weird thing? This is a section of trunk road they have just decommissioned all the lighting along, so the NSL repeaters are technically in an unlit section...

This is why using lighting as a means to determine the speed limit is completely and utterly stupid.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Conekicker » Thu Jun 17, 2021 18:28

Chris Bertram wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 15:12
Conekicker wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:07
jervi wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20
So I was driving down the A1 a few days ago like I have many times before, but this time I noticed there was no NSL sign at the end of the motorway section
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.36106 ... 312!8i6656
Does this mean the speed limit goes from Motorway Reg to 30? Does there need to be a NSL sign co-located with the end of motorway regulations?
Yes and yes.
It's a bit lacking in NSL repeaters on the lamp-posts as well. This is something I spotted on the Red House to Barnsdale Bar section last time I was on it, but nobody, literally nobody was keeping down to 30.
Many years ago someone (cough) designed a scheme to bring the rather tatty signing on the Redhouse to Darrington section up to scratch. The scheme got binned. Meh.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bryn666 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:03

Conekicker wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 18:28
Chris Bertram wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 15:12
Conekicker wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:07
Yes and yes.
It's a bit lacking in NSL repeaters on the lamp-posts as well. This is something I spotted on the Red House to Barnsdale Bar section last time I was on it, but nobody, literally nobody was keeping down to 30.
Many years ago someone (cough) designed a scheme to bring the rather tatty signing on the Redhouse to Darrington section up to scratch. The scheme got binned. Meh.
To add insult to injury did they then put all the tatty signs on brand new passive poles like they did on the A56?
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Conekicker » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:38

Bryn666 wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:03
Conekicker wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 18:28
Chris Bertram wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 15:12
It's a bit lacking in NSL repeaters on the lamp-posts as well. This is something I spotted on the Red House to Barnsdale Bar section last time I was on it, but nobody, literally nobody was keeping down to 30.
Many years ago someone (cough) designed a scheme to bring the rather tatty signing on the Redhouse to Darrington section up to scratch. The scheme got binned. Meh.
To add insult to injury did they then put all the tatty signs on brand new passive poles like they did on the A56?
No idea what happened to it all. Looking on Streetview, there seem to be a few new looking signs.

You mean passively safe as in rusted through? The right hand one on this incorrectly designed sign for example? That can't be in good condition surely?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.63838 ... 6656?hl=en

Don't you just love it when a sign gets whacked and never replaced?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.65935 ... 6656?hl=en
and
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.65935 ... 8192?hl=en
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by JohnnyMo » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:57

Some may find this sign a bit none standard. Question is what can get to that speed, and back down before the 40 limit.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by the cheesecake man » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:55

JohnnyMo wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:57
Some may find this sign a bit none standard. Question is what can get to that speed, and back down before the 40 limit.
:rofl: Presumably that's a failed attempt at a width limit but it may not stand up in court. And the road doesn't seem any narrower than the previous bit?

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by JohnnyMo » Fri Jun 18, 2021 14:02

the cheesecake man wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:55
JohnnyMo wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:57
Some may find this sign a bit none standard. Question is what can get to that speed, and back down before the 40 limit.
:rofl: Presumably that's a failed attempt at a width limit but it may not stand up in court. And the road doesn't seem any narrower than the previous bit?
It is, or it was before part of it faded to white. I think it is to avoid large motor homes driving up there to park.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Rambo » Fri Jun 18, 2021 18:33

Maybe not technically botched. But plenty of sign clutter https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3050772 ... 384!8i8192
What caught my eye was the separate smaller 'local' motorway panel for Eastham Oil Terminal underneath the main sign. Can't be many motorway directions set up this way..

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by sydneynick » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:31

I am not an expert on UK road signs, but feel that this has to be wrong. All those green patches with no road numbers?
I can always tell if politicians are lying. Their lips move.

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