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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Chris5156 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 09:11

Kevin Roads wrote:
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If the roundabout is perceived to be a hazard, maybe because it's hidden by the bend, then surely the sign itself (without horrendous yellow surround) gives sufficient warning of the hazard (although most drivers would consider the roundabout to be a normal road feature and just deal with it), as well as showing directions. If it's considered that the sign isn't readable, for whatever reason, then make it bigger. Yes, this last idea probably costs more money....
Couldn't possibly cost more money than the yellow border though, because adding that has made the sign bigger anyway!

If there's a hazard here then the thing you need is a warning sign, and if the warning sign isn't being noticed then add a yellow backing board to that.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Chris Bertram » Wed Sep 22, 2021 09:43

Kevin Roads wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 07:35
Big L wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 21:53
So, yellow borders are to highlight particular hazards or to try to improve non-compliance? the size of that border...
That looks awful. Who thought that was a good idea?

If the roundabout is perceived to be a hazard, maybe because it's hidden by the bend, then surely the sign itself (without horrendous yellow surround) gives sufficient warning of the hazard (although most drivers would consider the roundabout to be a normal road feature and just deal with it), as well as showing directions. If it's considered that the sign isn't readable, for whatever reason, then make it bigger. Yes, this last idea probably costs more money....

Non-compliance? Maybe there has been a spate of vehicles just driving straight over the roundabout.

I wonder what rubbish reason would be given to justify that eyesore?
The only thing I can think of (as I know that location reasonably well, it's in Franche on the northern edge of Kidderminster) is that it's a dark green sign in front of a dark green background with lots of trees. But even then the yellow border is outsized.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by the cheesecake man » Wed Sep 22, 2021 13:10

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Sat Sep 18, 2021 09:43
That's definitely wrong, brands aren't permitted except for junction names.
There's plenty of signs for motorway services with brands on, often logos not just names.
The national rail logo is a brand and often appears on signs.
I assume these are allowed?

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Patrick Harper » Wed Sep 22, 2021 13:30

the cheesecake man wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 13:10
Patrick Harper wrote:
Sat Sep 18, 2021 09:43
That's definitely wrong, brands aren't permitted except for junction names.
There's plenty of signs for motorway services with brands on, often logos not just names.
The national rail logo is a brand and often appears on signs.
I assume these are allowed?
Logos are allowed on services signs, as are operator names, but not brand names as destinations.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bfivethousand » Thu Sep 23, 2021 21:55

I'll be generous and call this one enterprising rather than botched as the A31 doesn't really resemble a dual carriageway for a few hundred metres beyond the roundabout. Perhaps some justification for the non-standard design.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by jervi » Fri Sep 24, 2021 01:49

Bfivethousand wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 21:55
I'll be generous and call this one enterprising rather than botched as the A31 doesn't really resemble a dual carriageway for a few hundred metres beyond the roundabout. Perhaps some justification for the non-standard design.
It is incorrect. But not sure what you mean that it "doesn't really resemble a dual carriageway for a few hundred metres beyond the roundabout". Its a dual carriageway from the roundabout, but that shouldn't make a difference to the design of the sign on its own.
It should be similar to the sign below taken from Chapter 7. All it needs is the little free flow left turn stroke.
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.08162 ... 312!8i6656 The merge signs here are also incorrect. The one on the left suggests the lane on the right merges into the one on the left and that is not at all prescribed since we don't do right side merges. And its not a merge at all either, since its just a lane gain.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bfivethousand » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:59

jervi wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 01:49
Bfivethousand wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 21:55
I'll be generous and call this one enterprising rather than botched as the A31 doesn't really resemble a dual carriageway for a few hundred metres beyond the roundabout. Perhaps some justification for the non-standard design.
But not sure what you mean that it "doesn't really resemble a dual carriageway for a few hundred metres beyond the roundabout". Its a dual carriageway from the roundabout, but that shouldn't make a difference to the design of the sign on its own.
I was just of the mind that the centre reservation becomes wide and heavily vegetated for a short distance on leaving the roundabout, concealing the opposite carriageway from view. This sort of thing can discombobulate some drivers a bit - I don't know if there's any history of such along there but I put that forward as some potential logic for the odd signface design which as previously mentioned is clearly non-standard.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Chris5156 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 14:38

Bfivethousand wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 21:55
I'll be generous and call this one enterprising rather than botched as the A31 doesn't really resemble a dual carriageway for a few hundred metres beyond the roundabout. Perhaps some justification for the non-standard design.
The black HGV flag sign just behind it is definitely botched. It’s in advance of the junction so it should be a rectangular sign with an arrow instead.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by owen b » Fri Sep 24, 2021 17:41

The S1 that thinks it's the A82 : https://earth.google.com/web/@57.386193 ... OEZvV3cQAg

Surely this is botched?

The mileage is wrong as well : it's well over a mile from Abriachan to the A82.

There's another similar sign for traffic coming from the other road.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by jervi » Fri Sep 24, 2021 20:59

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.04680 ... 312!8i6656
Saw this one today when out cycling. I approach from the other direction (leaving the junction) and I initially thought it would be an upside down giveway sign, so had a look at it as I went past and I saw that mess.
Its a left turn with priority sign, with tape on the right side to make it same stroke width. Completely botched & reported.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by ikcdab » Tue Sep 28, 2021 17:43

Patrick Harper wrote:
Sat Sep 18, 2021 09:43
the cheesecake man wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 13:13
Patrick Harper wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 14:17
On reflection I guess such names would come under the TSRGD's catch-all 'generic description of a facility'. The only other piece of documentation I can find related to this is Highways England's National Highways' CG 153 transport note.
How about "Asda"?
That's definitely wrong, brands aren't permitted except for junction names.
Popular in Exeter though
A379
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by SteelCamel » Wed Sep 29, 2021 19:57

ikcdab wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 17:43
Patrick Harper wrote:
Sat Sep 18, 2021 09:43
That's definitely wrong, brands aren't permitted except for junction names.
Popular in Exeter though
A379
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ovKZz1oV6NVYveCY6
"Ikea" is quite common on signs. To be honest I'm not sure what else you can put on the sign in a situation like that. You've already got "Superstore" and "Retail Park" pointing the other way, so you need to distinguish Ikea from the other shops - and I don't really see how you can do that without using the brand name.
I also notice that the other entrance is on "Ikea Way" - are brands allowed in street names?

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by ForestChav » Wed Sep 29, 2021 21:56

SteelCamel wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 19:57
ikcdab wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 17:43
Patrick Harper wrote:
Sat Sep 18, 2021 09:43
That's definitely wrong, brands aren't permitted except for junction names.
Popular in Exeter though
A379
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ovKZz1oV6NVYveCY6
"Ikea" is quite common on signs. To be honest I'm not sure what else you can put on the sign in a situation like that. You've already got "Superstore" and "Retail Park" pointing the other way, so you need to distinguish Ikea from the other shops - and I don't really see how you can do that without using the brand name.
I also notice that the other entrance is on "Ikea Way" - are brands allowed in street names?
The one at Giltbrook is signed as "Ikea Retail Park" - https://goo.gl/maps/BKdCMUPdUgoprVc17
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by multiraider2 » Thu Sep 30, 2021 08:33

ForestChav wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 21:56
SteelCamel wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 19:57
ikcdab wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 17:43


Popular in Exeter though
A379
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ovKZz1oV6NVYveCY6
"Ikea" is quite common on signs. To be honest I'm not sure what else you can put on the sign in a situation like that. You've already got "Superstore" and "Retail Park" pointing the other way, so you need to distinguish Ikea from the other shops - and I don't really see how you can do that without using the brand name.
I also notice that the other entrance is on "Ikea Way" - are brands allowed in street names?
The one at Giltbrook is signed as "Ikea Retail Park" - https://goo.gl/maps/BKdCMUPdUgoprVc17
No Ikea branding on the Purley Way {shudders}. But then I guess the big yellow and blue adorned chimneys are the giveaway.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by ryzzey » Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:14

SteelCamel wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 19:57
I also notice that the other entrance is on "Ikea Way" - are brands allowed in street names?
I'm guessing the land belongs to IKEA hence they have named it that, I'm sure I have seen similar elsewhere.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bryn666 » Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:45

owen b wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 17:41
The S1 that thinks it's the A82 : https://earth.google.com/web/@57.386193 ... OEZvV3cQAg

Surely this is botched?

The mileage is wrong as well : it's well over a mile from Abriachan to the A82.

There's another similar sign for traffic coming from the other road.
It should say (A82) in a green patch with the correct distance.
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Post by SteelCamel » Thu Sep 30, 2021 18:13

ryzzey wrote:
Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:14
SteelCamel wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 19:57
I also notice that the other entrance is on "Ikea Way" - are brands allowed in street names?
I'm guessing the land belongs to IKEA hence they have named it that, I'm sure I have seen similar elsewhere.
Yes, here's another "Ikea" sign, and the road is called "Costkea Way" - the only things on that road are Costco and Ikea.

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Post by MotorwayGuy » Thu Sep 30, 2021 21:39

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3689294 ... 384!8i8192

This one catches people out as from a distance it looks like it's telling you to pass the the right. If you go back to 2009, you can see the previous sign, whilst also botched was at least the correct type.

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Post by Bfivethousand » Sun Oct 03, 2021 18:04

Witham ain't a dancer
It's just south of Braintree

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