Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by jervi » Sun Aug 15, 2021 22:46

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8372828 ... 312!8i6656

Shame there is no sign the other direction.

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Owain » Sun Aug 15, 2021 23:49

jervi wrote:
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https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8372828 ... 312!8i6656

Shame there is no sign the other direction.
As there is only one way in and one way out, they're presumably hoping that people will remember!
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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by SteelCamel » Sat Aug 21, 2021 17:11

TS wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 20:55
Well we couldn't just put "½ mile" - that would be an exaggeration!

https://goo.gl/maps/MKbeY5cnZ6ixUAio7
It's also not true. 870 yards appears to be the distance to the far end of the village (where there's a matching "no footway for 870 yards" sign). But there's no footway outside the village for quite some way in either direction. And there's about 350 yards of the "no footway" section that does have a footway - it even has footways on both sides and a zebra crossing between them at one point!

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by TS » Sun Sep 12, 2021 19:22

I spotted a '14 yds' for a school crossing patrol at Fair Oak, Eastleigh, today:

https://goo.gl/maps/rReDaLW2BW2FNsSB7

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Klepsydra » Sun Sep 12, 2021 22:46

22 yards in Bromley.
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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by jnty » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:48

Not only does the "dual carriageway ending" sign on the A9 at Dalraddy show distances to the nearest 20 yards, it also shows two different distances on either side of the road to reflect that the signs aren't exactly opposite each other.

(I notice that 440 yards is suspiciously close to 400m.)

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Norfolktolancashire » Sat Oct 02, 2021 13:42

There are a lot of half miles on this old sign in Wadebridge, North Cornwall

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5178564 ... 384!8i8192

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by solocle » Sat Oct 02, 2021 17:35

Norfolktolancashire wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 13:42
There are a lot of half miles on this old sign in Wadebridge, North Cornwall

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5178564 ... 384!8i8192
A couple in Cumbria too
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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Rillington » Thu Oct 14, 2021 17:48

solocle wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 17:35
Norfolktolancashire wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 13:42
There are a lot of half miles on this old sign in Wadebridge, North Cornwall

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5178564 ... 384!8i8192
A couple in Cumbria too
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i think that the rule is that 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 of a mile are added to signs where the distance is less than 3 miles so this would not be seen as overly precise for the distances in the two signposts shown on these two photographs.

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Vierwielen » Thu Oct 14, 2021 22:51

I would have put the yellow board behind the traffic light.

BTW, 11 yards looks suspiciously like 10 metres to me.

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Vierwielen » Thu Oct 14, 2021 22:56

Rillington wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 17:48
solocle wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 17:35
Norfolktolancashire wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 13:42
There are a lot of half miles on this old sign in Wadebridge, North Cornwall

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5178564 ... 384!8i8192
A couple in Cumbria too
AC45E090-3B60-427D-968B-B1105970C00C.jpeg8F2EA935-8BF7-407D-89E1-030FB049DE37.jpeg
i think that the rule is that 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 of a mile are added to signs where the distance is less than 3 miles so this would not be seen as overly precise for the distances in the two signposts shown on these two photographs.
If the UK ever changed to metric roads signs, what would the appropriate rounding factors be?

I would suggest that up to 100 metres - 10 metre rounding; up to 200 metres - 20 metre rounding; up to 500 metres - 50 metre rounding; up to 1 km (or 1000 metres) - 100 metre rounding; up to 2 km (or 2000 metres) - 200 metre rounding; up to 5 km - 0.5 km rounding and about 5 km, one kilometres rounding.

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by AndyB » Thu Oct 21, 2021 19:15

Vierwielen wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 22:56
If the UK ever changed to metric roads signs, what would the appropriate rounding factors be?

I would suggest that up to 100 metres - 10 metre rounding; up to 200 metres - 20 metre rounding; up to 500 metres - 50 metre rounding; up to 1 km (or 1000 metres) - 100 metre rounding; up to 2 km (or 2000 metres) - 200 metre rounding; up to 5 km - 0.5 km rounding and about 5 km, one kilometres rounding.
Current rules (Schedule 18, Part 3) are 10 yard rounding up to 880 yards, although we know that's actually rounded to metres, 1/4 miles up to 3, and then whole miles.

If it were to change, I'd suggest 10m rounding up to 500m, then 50m rounding up to 1km, 500m rounding up to 5km (close to 3 miles) and then whole km.

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by EpicChef » Fri Oct 22, 2021 09:08

AndyB wrote:
Thu Oct 21, 2021 19:15
Vierwielen wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 22:56
If the UK ever changed to metric roads signs, what would the appropriate rounding factors be?

I would suggest that up to 100 metres - 10 metre rounding; up to 200 metres - 20 metre rounding; up to 500 metres - 50 metre rounding; up to 1 km (or 1000 metres) - 100 metre rounding; up to 2 km (or 2000 metres) - 200 metre rounding; up to 5 km - 0.5 km rounding and about 5 km, one kilometres rounding.
Current rules (Schedule 18, Part 3) are 10 yard rounding up to 880 yards, although we know that's actually rounded to metres, 1/4 miles up to 3, and then whole miles.

If it were to change, I'd suggest 10m rounding up to 500m, then 50m rounding up to 1km, 500m rounding up to 5km (close to 3 miles) and then whole km.
If it was me I'd do something which has been needed for a long time, and convert everything to metric.
It's really silly that all our designs are metric but direction signs are based on (often inaccurate) imperial measures.
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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by AndyB » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:43

Correct, but politically impossible.

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Jonathan24 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 19:15

AndyB wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:43
Correct, but politically impossible.
Especially when it seems that one of the big sticking points with the NI Protocol which has just arisen is the UK government's insistence that imperial measures have to be used in NI. For anyone under 50, anywhere in the UK, do they actually use imperial measures anymore, unless they absolutely have to? Metric just seems to make so much more sense, otherwise why don't we go back to using pounds, shillings and pence again? :confused:

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by John McAdam » Fri Oct 22, 2021 20:00

Jonathan24 wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 19:15
... For anyone under 50, anywhere in the UK, do they actually use imperial measures anymore, unless they absolutely have to? Metric just seems to make so much more sense, otherwise why don't we go back to using pounds, shillings and pence again? :confused:
As I often hear in the pub: "Yes please, 568 millilitres of beer, thanks" ...

Quite agree with your underlying point though!

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Vierwielen » Fri Oct 22, 2021 22:15

John McAdam wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 20:00
Jonathan24 wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 19:15
... For anyone under 50, anywhere in the UK, do they actually use imperial measures anymore, unless they absolutely have to? Metric just seems to make so much more sense, otherwise why don't we go back to using pounds, shillings and pence again? :confused:
As I often hear in the pub: "Yes please, 568 millilitres of beer, thanks" ...

Quite agree with your underlying point though!
But if you are watching your alcohol intake, buying beer by the half litre makes alcohol unit counting easier - you half the ABV figure - thus a half a litre of 5.2% beer contain 2.6 units. The "proof" of this is quite simple - one unit of alcohol is 10 ml of pure alcohol (at the presecribed temperature for the pedants). SInce 10 ml is 1% of one litre, the number of units of alcohol in litre is numerically equal to the percentage alcohol by volume.

Likewise, a standard tot (25 ml) of 40% spirits also contains one unit (40% of 25 ml is 10 ml).

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Re: Unnecessarily Accurate Distances on Signs

Post by Chris Bertram » Sat Oct 23, 2021 09:24

John McAdam wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 20:00
Jonathan24 wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 19:15
... For anyone under 50, anywhere in the UK, do they actually use imperial measures anymore, unless they absolutely have to? Metric just seems to make so much more sense, otherwise why don't we go back to using pounds, shillings and pence again? :confused:
As I often hear in the pub: "Yes please, 568 millilitres of beer, thanks" ...

Quite agree with your underlying point though!
Exception is made for draught beer dispense. And Ireland still uses the pint for beer in pubs.
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