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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by MotorwayGuy » Wed Dec 08, 2021 23:33

AlexBr967 wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 18:13
Can you have two destinations on the same line?
I might be going mad, but I seem to remember a gantry sign on the M20 at Junction 2 that had something along the lines of "C. London and Swanley". It's long gone now and I can't find any pictures to verify it though.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Conekicker » Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:10

AlexBr967 wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 18:13
Can you have two destinations on the same line?
Yes.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.37756 ... 8192?hl=en
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by the cheesecake man » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:47

Conekicker wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:10
AlexBr967 wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 18:13
Can you have two destinations on the same line?
Yes.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.37756 ... 8192?hl=en
M60 does so regularly eg:
here
here
here

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Conekicker » Fri Dec 10, 2021 15:17

the cheesecake man wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:47
Conekicker wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:10
AlexBr967 wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 18:13
Can you have two destinations on the same line?
Yes.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.37756 ... 8192?hl=en
M60 does so regularly eg:
here
here
here
And you're not limited to two either:
Good old TSRGD 2002
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by SteelCamel » Sat Dec 11, 2021 19:59

At least the motorway examples use commas and "and" to make it clear that it's multiple destinations. How many destinations are on this blue-bordered sign?
It's also noticeable that both Hilton and Culduthel are signed along both the B9006 and the A8082. True, you can go either way, but it's not exactly helpful.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by ForestChav » Sat Dec 11, 2021 21:54

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Mon Dec 06, 2021 14:01
I've never liked this sign south of Baslow on the way to Bakewel and Matlock. It lists six destinations followed by "avoiding weak bridge". It's not clear which destinations this applies to and for which this is the direct route.
It's the lower set presumably.

The weak bridge is the one at Chatsworth, so the direct route to Matlock and probably even Haddon Hall is straight on and to the A6. But the A619 ends up in Bakewell, and that's the direct route to Buxton, though for there i'd probably use the A6020 than stay on the A619, or even have used the A623 to begin with.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by OliverH » Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:32

would be correct if they let you go straight on the left: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.48720 ... 384!8i8192

one goes right and one goes left. not to the same destination: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.94915 ... authuser=0 . even the newer one (NCOGM) is a direct like for like replacment.

so I hear that those signs mean that you can pass either side to get to the same destination at this roundabout with a filter. it is not wrong but I think they want you to use the filter to go left and not the roundabout so it is not a botch but is misleading.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by jnty » Sun Dec 12, 2021 17:39

OliverH wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:32
one goes right and one goes left. not to the same destination: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.94915 ... authuser=0 . even the newer one (NCOGM) is a direct like for like replacment.

so I hear that those signs mean that you can pass either side to get to the same destination at this roundabout with a filter. it is not wrong but I think they want you to use the filter to go left and not the roundabout so it is not a botch but is misleading.
I suppose, given that there are no restrictions at either exit, it's correct in implying that you can turn either way from both. I wouldn't like to try out though and agree that it is probably just a botch.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bfivethousand » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:45

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by the cheesecake man » Mon Dec 13, 2021 13:24

Bfivethousand wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:45
Brackets... :roll:
Well 4 out of 6 are correct... :lol:
ForestChav wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 21:54
It's the lower set presumably.

The weak bridge is the one at Chatsworth, so the direct route to Matlock and probably even Haddon Hall is straight on and to the A6. But the A619 ends up in Bakewell, and that's the direct route to Buxton, or even have used the A623 to begin with.
You are correct. But we live in adjacent counties so are familiar with the area and spend too much time thinking about road signs. Could many drivers really tell that from the sign in the time available?
though for there i'd probably use the A6020 than stay on the A619,
Which is indeed what the sign suggests when you get there.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 13:52

SteelCamel wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 19:59
At least the motorway examples use commas and "and" to make it clear that it's multiple destinations. How many destinations are on this blue-bordered sign?
It's also noticeable that both Hilton and Culduthel are signed along both the B9006 and the A8082. True, you can go either way, but it's not exactly helpful.
Very old 1960s guidance allowed huge spacing on local destination signs like that but that sign being from the 80s shouldn't be doing it.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 13:52

Bfivethousand wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:45
Brackets... :roll:
Not even the Transport tileset either!
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Unbreakify » Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:10

Does this one count?
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Unbreakify » Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:13

Unbreakify wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:10
Does this one count?
And this?
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Unbreakify » Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:14

LORD HAVE MERCY!
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Unbreakify » Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:16

Unbreakify wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:14
LORD HAVE MERCY!
This one also appears to be related to the botched south sign.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Unbreakify » Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:56

https://www.google.com/maps/@57.1724716 ... 312!8i6656

Theres also this one (which has been fixed ages ago) on the A9. I dont think it being non-primary is quite right.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Rambo » Mon Dec 13, 2021 17:33

This section of the A49 at Winwick is non primary and has been for a while from what i can tell. Although they're tatty i don't think they're that old..
What's even more confusing is that WBC like to put the road number on a green background on a street name board even if they're non primary as seen on the left.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by AlexBr967 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 19:23

I have an example of an entire road of botched signs. The road is the former A617 in Mansfield. It is now non-primary(I think) A6191 but some signs were just patched and kept primary, some new primary signs were made for whatever reason and some new non-primary signs were made. Below are some examples from the 4 types of signs you'll see.

Old primary with a patch: 1, 2.
Old primary without a patch (has the old route number or no route number): 1, 2, 3.
New primary: 1, 2, 3, 4.
New non-primary: 1, 2 (strange method of lane guidance), 3, 4, 5 (with new primary in same image).
Bonus random signs with separate Nottingham for some reason: 1, 2, 3.

All in all, it's a bit of a mess.

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Re: Botched Roadsigns

Post by Glen » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:52

Unbreakify wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 15:10
Does this one count?
That's correct as it's on the A86. The B9152 starts at the bottom of the opposite link onto the A9.

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