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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by L.J.D » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:58

SteelCamel wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 22:22
Even more intriguing is the other end of the junction:
Sept 2014 - the signals are on the old lighting pole
Nov 2015 - mid-replacement. The pole has been replaced and has brackets on, but the signals are on a temporary pole.
Aug 2016 - the signals are now on the new light pole, though the temporary one hasn't been removed yet.
Apr 2017 - all finished
Nov 2020 - for no obvious reason, the signals have been removed from the light pole and put on a separate, new pole.

And just to complete the set, on the other side of the road the signal has been left on the old lighting pole, which has had the top cut off and a new light installed next to it! Who needs consistency?
Must say Amey in Sheffield are behaving pretty strange with the signals. They seem to have repainted odd sets of mellors at total random places. Where in other locations they've been completely replaced. Maybe the PFI cost was under estimated so they've prolonged the life of some mellors to save some cash until they get round to replacing them. I can only think they've moved the heads off the column because it shortens the life of it maybe with the extra load?

I know around here where they've moved heads off columns they've replaced the whole lighting column completely with new ones like here and here's afterwards.

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by Chris5156 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 14:34

yen_powell wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:23
the cheesecake man wrote:
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Far more than three on one pole Cheating? Where? :coat:
Trafalgar Way E14, outside Billingsgate fish market. I have pictures of it being assembled but I hit a size restriction when trying to post them. We had no instructions for the assembly, the artist who designed it wanted too much money to help out and when it was removed from its first location it was just taken apart and placed inside a few lorry containers and sat there for quite a few years. It's LED bulbed now which save a fair bit on the energy bills.
If you’re willing to post them you can add large picture files to the wiki, which will make them easier to find in future than if they were in a forum post:
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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by AlexBr967 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 14:46

SteelCamel wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 22:22
And just to complete the set, on the other side of the road the signal has been left on the old lighting pole, which has had the top cut off and a new light installed next to it! Who needs consistency?
It gets more inconsistent. Further down the road, the pole has been left as it is with just a new light fitted: https://goo.gl/maps/gQXeeoYKXhYSJ6Kt8. More intriguing is if you look back on the street view that light wasn't initially replaced with all the others and was replaced later on. However, across the road, the light pole was replaced and the old pole capped off. Why were they done differently?

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by yen_powell » Sun Jan 09, 2022 17:40

Chris5156 wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 14:34
yen_powell wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:23
the cheesecake man wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 13:28
Far more than three on one pole Cheating? Where? :coat:
Trafalgar Way E14, outside Billingsgate fish market. I have pictures of it being assembled but I hit a size restriction when trying to post them. We had no instructions for the assembly, the artist who designed it wanted too much money to help out and when it was removed from its first location it was just taken apart and placed inside a few lorry containers and sat there for quite a few years. It's LED bulbed now which save a fair bit on the energy bills.
If you’re willing to post them you can add large picture files to the wiki, which will make them easier to find in future than if they were in a forum post:
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/tools/upload/
That looked a long drawn out process and it said the road name didn't exist.
Can you see one of the pictures with this link?
https://photos.versys1000.com/image/9tzo6


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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by Chris5156 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 17:55

yen_powell wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 17:40
Chris5156 wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 14:34
yen_powell wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:23
Trafalgar Way E14, outside Billingsgate fish market. I have pictures of it being assembled but I hit a size restriction when trying to post them. We had no instructions for the assembly, the artist who designed it wanted too much money to help out and when it was removed from its first location it was just taken apart and placed inside a few lorry containers and sat there for quite a few years. It's LED bulbed now which save a fair bit on the energy bills.
If you’re willing to post them you can add large picture files to the wiki, which will make them easier to find in future than if they were in a forum post:
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/tools/upload/
That looked a long drawn out process and it said the road name didn't exist.
Can you see one of the pictures with this link?
https://photos.versys1000.com/image/9tzo6
I can - these are brilliant! Thanks for sharing them.

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by Rambo » Sun Jan 09, 2022 20:50

Strange zebra crossing along Oil sites rd, Stanlow which is private. Although used to be a thoroughfare many years ago. I'm unsure why the markings cross at a diagonal.
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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by ReissOmari » Mon Jan 10, 2022 13:23

Chris Bertram wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 17:18
Here's another survivor on a decapitated lamp standard in Birmingham: https://goo.gl/maps/vQ96nLyYiDvPuKdS8
There used to be one here in Birmingham too for about 10 years.. https://goo.gl/maps/bTtfC3rZXcBt4r4r9

The whole junction was replaced about 6 years ago, it was then modified again when the Cycle lane opened, strangely they removed one of the dedicated left turning lanes and added a staggered pedestrian crossing with an island, baring in mind there is already a pedestrian crossing a few meters away, typical Birmingham logic - https://goo.gl/maps/Eu3YxFNZTcjAQ59q9.
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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 13:39

Rambo wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 20:50
Strange zebra crossing along Oil sites rd, Stanlow which is private. Although used to be a thoroughfare many years ago. I'm unsure why the markings cross at a diagonal.
I thought down there was off limits, how'd you get that photo without security buzzing you like wasps round a picnic? Nice work though!
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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by OliverH » Mon Jan 10, 2022 13:49

On the new Interesting things found on GSV Thread
Whist searching through Rochdale in 2008, I noticed a man holding a Mellor ped light, and when I moved on, I saw this: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.62660 ... 6656?hl=en A truckload of signals possibly from ped crossings that they replaced or junctions that were modified.

and here is the crossing in august before the old signals were taken down and new ones were put up: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.62642 ... 6656?hl=en

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by Rambo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 13:54

Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 13:39
Rambo wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 20:50
Strange zebra crossing along Oil sites rd, Stanlow which is private. Although used to be a thoroughfare many years ago. I'm unsure why the markings cross at a diagonal.
I thought down there was off limits, how'd you get that photo without security buzzing you like wasps round a picnic? Nice work though!
Yep i’ve been turfed off in the past having been to Stanlow and Thornton station. But not on this occasion. Apart from the barrier mid way along the road, both ends are still publicly accessible despite all the warning signs etc.

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by traffic-light-man » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:03

AlexBr967 wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 17:13
I just found an intriguing example where the street light column appears to have been replaced but the original signal was put back on it
2014: https://goo.gl/maps/HxNsMoEw7NBoo6z29
2015: https://goo.gl/maps/yFfN7N3ojSSCeYSy6
That's the same column, just painted black. It is unusual how they've chosen certain ones to remain and others to be replaced in that area, but there's every chance there were some sort of structural integrity issues at play or something like that which influenced the decisions.

There used to also be contention with using lighting columns for signals if the controller and LC were fed from a different (power) phase owing to the 415v potential in the even of a collision or electrical fault condition.
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Mon Jan 10, 2022 13:54
Yep i’ve been turfed off in the past having been to Stanlow and Thornton station. But not on this occasion. Apart from the barrier mid way along the road, both ends are still publicly accessible despite all the warning signs etc.
I remember when I was a kid, I'd taken some photos of the old Forest City signals that were on Oil Sites Road and that attracted the attention of the 'authorities' very quickly. The chaps that turned up were nice enough once they realised what I was actually photographing (though I can't imagine they understood why :lol: ) and they allowed me to keep the photos but warned me not to return with a camera in hand!
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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by Jonathan24 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 18:17

traffic-light-man wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:03
AlexBr967 wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 17:13
I just found an intriguing example where the street light column appears to have been replaced but the original signal was put back on it
2014: https://goo.gl/maps/HxNsMoEw7NBoo6z29
2015: https://goo.gl/maps/yFfN7N3ojSSCeYSy6
That's the same column, just painted black.
That's what I initially thought too but I don't think it is the same column. The access doors on the 2015 picture are a different shape and there are various other subtle changes too. Presumably the contractor who got the job of replacing the columns was instructed to move all the signs and equipment.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.39584 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.39582 ... 312!8i6656

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by AlexBr967 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 21:13

Hmm. The left arrow should be left of the green orb in my opinion. Looks very strange there. Reminds me of this but this has been replaced with a cleaner design of the straight arrow on the right of the amber instead.

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by traffic-light-man » Mon Jan 17, 2022 13:00

Jonathan24 wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 18:17
That's what I initially thought too but I don't think it is the same column. The access doors on the 2015 picture are a different shape and there are various other subtle changes too. Presumably the contractor who got the job of replacing the columns was instructed to move all the signs and equipment.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.39584 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.39582 ... 312!8i6656
Good spot! I hadn't paid attention to the door shape! It's interesting, but I do wonder if they're a custom type designed to match the originals rather than a standard off-the-shelf product.
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Hideous. I cannot stand non-compliant box sign arrangements when the arrangement itself proves it can be done with compliance and, quite frankly, neatness.

This could absolutely have had the indicative arrow and the filter arrow on each side of the full green with the NUT box to the right hand side of the amber aspect. It would've been complaint, neat and there's presumably no clearance issues here due to the fact it's got boxes hung to either side anyway.
AlexBr967 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 21:13
Hmm. The left arrow should be left of the green orb in my opinion. Looks very strange there. Reminds me of this but this has been replaced with a cleaner design of the straight arrow on the right of the amber instead.
While it might look neater and it is compliant to have both boxes to one side, I think its intentions would be a lot clearer if the filter was placed on the left of the full green as it was initially - I'd certainly want to try and keep it on the left it it was in any way possible. This arrangement must look strange when the filter comes on without the indicative arrow immediately below it. It looks like it might have been relocated due to clearance issues though, so all things considered, it could be worse!


I've spotted these two lately that I thought warranted a mention here as I don't think I've seen either before.

Here's a 6m swan neck pole. I definitely don't think I've ever seen anything like this before, but I think I quite like it as a solution providing the foundation is happy to support it!

And here's some nearside signals mounted at essentially regular signal head height, also on a swan neck. I suspect there might be more like this around and about, but it does seem a bit extreme to me.
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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by AlexBr967 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 22:26

traffic-light-man wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 13:00
It looks like it might have been relocated due to clearance issues though, so all things considered, it could be worse!
I think you're right that that is the reason rather than compliance since the same arrangement was fitted recently here: https://goo.gl/maps/UB6t35QHQ6cU58Q8A. Admittedly, in this case, it involves a left and right filter so makes a bit more sense to keep the left filter on the left. I wonder if they recycled the same signal?

Edit: Nevermind I think I found where it was recycled: https://goo.gl/maps/Yrw9G8sWRENuFpAf7

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by traffic-light-man » Tue Jan 18, 2022 13:57

AlexBr967 wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 22:26
traffic-light-man wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 13:00
It looks like it might have been relocated due to clearance issues though, so all things considered, it could be worse!
I think you're right that that is the reason rather than compliance since the same arrangement was fitted recently here: https://goo.gl/maps/UB6t35QHQ6cU58Q8A. Admittedly, in this case, it involves a left and right filter so makes a bit more sense to keep the left filter on the left. I wonder if they recycled the same signal?
I'd be concerned if there was a left filter side mounted on the right hand side of a signal head, or indeed an indicative arrow side mounted on the left hand side of a signal head. I don't think it's specifically forbidden in TSRGD come to think of it, but I think you'd have to be pretty mental to try it on street.

The ahead arrow is a bit different, because I think it's a bit more psychological. For instance, on an approach to a T-junction with a right hand arm, and ahead filter on the left side of the full green would make the most sense in my personal opinion. Likewise, for the reverse arrangement with an arm on the left, putting the filter on the right side would make the most sense. At a cross roads with arms on both sides, I'd be looking at putting the ahead filter under the full green.
AlexBr967 wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 22:26
Edit: Nevermind I think I found where it was recycled: https://goo.gl/maps/Yrw9G8sWRENuFpAf7
The head in your original link is a TSC Zenith (or an Aldridge Envirolite, but I suspect the former given the age), whereas the head in your second link it's a newer Dynniq Peek Elite, so it's not the same signal. I would imagine that if it was worth saving at all, it'll have been used as a parts donor for other Zeniths.
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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by M4Mark » Thu Jan 20, 2022 18:44

traffic-light-man wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 13:57
I'd be concerned if there was a left filter side mounted on the right hand side of a signal head, or indeed an indicative arrow side mounted on the left hand side of a signal head. I don't think it's specifically forbidden in TSRGD come to think of it, but I think you'd have to be pretty mental to try it on street.

The ahead arrow is a bit different, because I think it's a bit more psychological. For instance, on an approach to a T-junction with a right hand arm, and ahead filter on the left side of the full green would make the most sense in my personal opinion. Likewise, for the reverse arrangement with an arm on the left, putting the filter on the right side would make the most sense. At a cross roads with arms on both sides, I'd be looking at putting the ahead filter under the full green.
The 2002 TSRGD was prescriptive about where the arrows could be placed and which way they could point, the 2016 TSRGD appears less restrictive so it would appear theoretically you could have an arrow pointing left positioned on the right hand side of the head but the Traffic Sign Manual guidance Figure 3-6 image does suggest otherwise. I added some wording to my employers traffic signal specification to prevent it. "Where green arrows are side mounted they shall point upwards or in the horizontal direction of the side they are mounted on."

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Re: Unique Traffic Signals

Post by Chris Bertram » Thu Jan 20, 2022 22:58

M4Mark wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 18:44
traffic-light-man wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 13:57
I'd be concerned if there was a left filter side mounted on the right hand side of a signal head, or indeed an indicative arrow side mounted on the left hand side of a signal head. I don't think it's specifically forbidden in TSRGD come to think of it, but I think you'd have to be pretty mental to try it on street.

The ahead arrow is a bit different, because I think it's a bit more psychological. For instance, on an approach to a T-junction with a right hand arm, and ahead filter on the left side of the full green would make the most sense in my personal opinion. Likewise, for the reverse arrangement with an arm on the left, putting the filter on the right side would make the most sense. At a cross roads with arms on both sides, I'd be looking at putting the ahead filter under the full green.
The 2002 TSRGD was prescriptive about where the arrows could be placed and which way they could point, the 2016 TSRGD appears less restrictive so it would appear theoretically you could have an arrow pointing left positioned on the right hand side of the head but the Traffic Sign Manual guidance Figure 3-6 image does suggest otherwise. I added some wording to my employers traffic signal specification to prevent it. "Where green arrows are side mounted they shall point upwards or in the horizontal direction of the side they are mounted on."
Are green arrows at a 45⁰ angle permitted these days? I'm sure they used to be quite common.
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