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These signals control alternation through the entry tunnel in the wall of the prison at Portland, Dorset

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5639683 ... 312!8i6656

they are fully automatic 24x7. I can tell that because they are visible at night from a family house in Weymouth, about four miles away across Portland Harbour. Even early on Christmas morning we sat looking out over a totally still seascape, except for these signals regularly changing. I'm guessing they are just after the transition from highways to private property.

I have of course never used them :)
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WHBM wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 08:25 These signals control alternation through the entry tunnel in the wall of the prison at Portland, Dorset

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5639683 ... 312!8i6656

they are fully automatic 24x7. I can tell that because they are visible at night from a family house in Weymouth, about four miles away across Portland Harbour. Even early on Christmas morning we sat looking out over a totally still seascape, except for these signals regularly changing. I'm guessing they are just after the transition from highways to private property.

I have of course never used them :)
They look like they're of a make not regularly (if at all) used on public roads. Anyone recognise the make?
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They look similar to those at the exit of Leeds Railway Station.

https://goo.gl/maps/N7tFA6TjCFjS6t186
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Chris Bertram wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 08:48
WHBM wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 08:25 These signals control alternation through the entry tunnel in the wall of the prison at Portland, Dorset

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5639683 ... 312!8i6656

they are fully automatic 24x7. I can tell that because they are visible at night from a family house in Weymouth, about four miles away across Portland Harbour. Even early on Christmas morning we sat looking out over a totally still seascape, except for these signals regularly changing. I'm guessing they are just after the transition from highways to private property.

I have of course never used them :)
They look like they're of a make not regularly (if at all) used on public roads. Anyone recognise the make?
they could be very similar to these: https://beno.uk/trafficlight/e2.JPG
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Craig91 wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 13:28 They look similar to those at the exit of Leeds Railway Station.

https://goo.gl/maps/N7tFA6TjCFjS6t186

I don't know why those in Leeds are installed like that. Totally unlawful. Considering the set they replaced were proper Siemens Helios pelicans (as there was two together). Must be just a temporary measure because that whole area is been pedestrianised soon. Though they could of done a better job than that. I suppose they didn't want a normal set of lights in conctete blocks for a few years.
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Traffic lights with a signal for a driveway in Boston
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Found another one here I'm guessing it displays two arrows one left and one right.
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Access to a builders yard in Downpatrick - https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3309096 ... 384!8i8192

Though functionally it is equivalent to a traffic light entrance/exit from a retail park...

This traffic light in the outskirts of Belfast leading to someone's driveway https://www.google.com/maps/@54.544725, ... 384!8i8192
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A question: if you run a red light on private property, can you be prosecuted? Especially if it's not part of a public road junction.

For example, this road into Doncaster Sheffield Airport has a pelican crossing. Roads on the approach are clearly signposted as private property. So if the pelican goes red and you run it, can the Airport send you a fine?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/6qasBbhj7VbHSnvu6
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https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7286146 ... 384!8i8192

In Halifax, for the car garage. There's even a stop line painted inside the car park.
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pjr10th wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 22:52 A question: if you run a red light on private property, can you be prosecuted? Especially if it's not part of a public road junction.

For example, this road into Doncaster Sheffield Airport has a pelican crossing. Roads on the approach are clearly signposted as private property. So if the pelican goes red and you run it, can the Airport send you a fine?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/6qasBbhj7VbHSnvu6
Well fines on private property are just invoices in any case. So it's up to you if you want to pay, as they are very hard to enforce for parking, and I've not heard of other transgressions being enforced. However the laws of the road do still apply on private property normally accessible to the public, so speeding around Tesco's car park can be an infringement for instance. You would probably be looking at driving without due care and attention if they couldn't get you specifically on running a red light. How do you know the road isn't adopted by the way?
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tom66 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 08:09 How do you know the road isn't adopted by the way?
This would suggest it is.
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Not exactly traffic lights for private properties but lights banning right turns into private property.
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tom66 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 08:07 https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7286146 ... 384!8i8192

In Halifax, for the car garage. There's even a stop line painted inside the car park.
Looking at this, this is looks like it is controlled by a loop in the tarmac https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7285776 ... 384!8i8192, they would need to be careful moving cars about in case they trigger an unneccessary green!
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There were some traffic lights on ICI sites including Billingham and Wilton but they were there to prevent vehicles with spark ignition engines and no flame preventers entering sites such as the Olefines or Nylon plants as that could trigger an explosion as happened on the Nylon Plant at Wilton.

This was an odd one as an escape of about 5 tons of cyclohexane at the Wilton plant of ICI in 1969 led to two deaths. A cloud of the gas approached a diesel high-lift truck whose driver switched off during the general alarm, but the engine did not stop because the cyclohexane was sucked into the air intake of the engine causing the engine to run away despite the fuel being shut off. Until this incident it was widely believed that diesel engines were not a fire risk in flammable atmospheres.

Cyclohexane was the same stuff that caused the Flixborough explosion. The problem is that its odourless and tasteless in liquid form looking just like water.

Now in the case of petrochemical and other chemical industries there are legal powers than can be used to enforce entry requirements. Billingham also had the nitric acid plant which was so unpleasant it would eat steel bodied vehicles so they used Reliant Regal Vans as their fibreglass bodies lasted longer :) There was a leak that got onto an internal site road that lead to a lot of claims that were quietly paid out when cars still under warranty started to go rusty even faster than normal in the 1970's.

In fact access to Wilton is still tightly controlled but with less than 10% of the workforce it had in the 1970's its now done with a barrier.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.58101 ... 8192?hl=en
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wallmeerkat wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 15:08
tom66 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 08:07 https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7286146 ... 384!8i8192

In Halifax, for the car garage. There's even a stop line painted inside the car park.
Looking at this, this is looks like it is controlled by a loop in the tarmac https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7285776 ... 384!8i8192, they would need to be careful moving cars about in case they trigger an unneccessary green!
Indeed. I actually recall being stuck at that light on red many a times on my commute back, despite no traffic moving through the junction. I wonder if this was the reason. I'll probably never know since I haven't lived near there for over 2 years now.
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wallmeerkat wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 15:08
tom66 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 08:07 https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7286146 ... 384!8i8192

In Halifax, for the car garage. There's even a stop line painted inside the car park.
Looking at this, this is looks like it is controlled by a loop in the tarmac https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7285776 ... 384!8i8192, they would need to be careful moving cars about in case they trigger an unneccessary green!
This problem could be solved by delaying the actuation of the loop by a few seconds. This way, moving vehicles won't unnecessarily call for a green light.
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