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Streetlighting Discussion Thread (WARNING; Big Images)

Post by MotorwayGuy » Sat Mar 11, 2006 20:28

This is a thread to discuss streetlight columns, lanterns, and anything else related.



This is the original post (note the images don't work due to my site closed):
When do you think these columns date from?

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This column looks more smooth and grey than most columns, and I think it may be newer.



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Also do you have any ideas of around about when this was installed, and when it was sleeved? all but two down this street are sleeved, and one of the columns uses a GEC Z9480, as do some around the corner from the street.

Sorry about the large images.

Thank you for your time.
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- Edited by MotorwayGuy on 24th June
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Post by boing_uk » Sat Mar 11, 2006 20:46

Purely my own opinions here but I would guess the top pic is a mid 70's column - obviously with a modern lantern.

As for the bottom pic, looking at the surrounding street environment I would guess its probably 1930's or 40's and sleeved in the mid-80's (judging by the state of the galvanising on the sleve and the adoption of the original lantern rather than providing a new lantern).

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Post by A303Paul » Sat Mar 11, 2006 20:47

Top one 1970s probably stanton and stavely bottom one 1950s, manufacturer heaven knows you would need to look at the company inscription on the outside of the metal access plate

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Post by MotorwayGuy » Sun Mar 12, 2006 08:56

I just found an old picture from another road in the area (1930's):

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1951

If you notice, the columns here have swan necks, and open lanterns.

They were replaced by ones like the one in the top picture. I think thy have been replaced by metal ones now though.

I was wondering when they went, and when those were installed. As that picture was taken in the 1930's, and some other pictures show them elsewere, I doubt they would have been removed then. None of them remain from (unless there are some hidden on a private road).

PS. That picture with the metal column in 1951 also now has concrete columns, some of them are sleeved, all with different lanterns, and sleeve types.

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Post by Bryn666 » Sun Mar 12, 2006 13:23

The bottom concrete column looks like ELECO issue concrete, which would date it to the 1960s.

The sleeve is definately a 1980s variant, although a vast number of 1980s sleeves were painted white (if you look around Lancashire this is most evident).
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Post by sotonsteve » Sun Mar 12, 2006 15:03

The top concrete column looks like ones installed in West Sussex in the late 1970s through to the late 1980s. I've even seen them on what appear to be residential roads built in the 1990s.

Southampton started sleeving its columns in the 1970s, which were mid-late 1940s.

Southampton still has a fair few cast iron columns, most with swan necks and dating back to the 1940s at latest. Within the last couple of weeks the swan necks and lanterns on the columns in the Carlton Crescent heritage area were replaced, so swan necks are still being made!!!

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Post by Lil » Sun Mar 12, 2006 16:00

Having recently moved into West Sussex (from Brighton where the only concrete columns appear to be in Portslade) -- this county must be the home of concrete columns, they are everywhere.

http://www.westsussex.gov.uk/ccm/conten ... .enc=UTF-8

Many seem to have been sleeved, but there is a wide range of lamps on them.

And there are indeed a few streets that are residential around Fishersgate/Southwick that have 1990s houses with concrete columns.

The Norfolk bridge on the A259 between Shoreham and Lancing used to have concrete columns on it and that was rebuilt in 1987. it now has metal columns.

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Post by boing_uk » Sun Mar 12, 2006 16:11

Bryn666 wrote:The sleeve is definately a 1980s variant, although a vast number of 1980s sleeves were painted white (if you look around Lancashire this is most evident).
You might find thats a Lancashire-ism rather than the norm (similar to the white retroreflective stripes on your signals poles which few others seem to use).

Alot of the sleeves applied in Lincolnshire and Humberside in the 80's were plain galvanised. Indeed, there were new concrete columns installed in the 70's in Immingham, which were sleeved from new.

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Post by M11 Man » Sun Mar 12, 2006 20:05

There are alot of villages around Cambridge which have concrete lampost columns

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Post by Lewis » Sun Mar 12, 2006 20:13

Lil wrote:
The Norfolk bridge on the A259 between Shoreham and Lancing used to have concrete columns on it and that was rebuilt in 1987. it now has metal columns.

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No it didnt. Its has always had metal columns, but it had the lanterns replaced recently and the arms were removed.

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Post by MotorwayGuy » Sun Mar 12, 2006 20:28

There are some more pictures here:

http://www.ukris.co.uk/bexleycolumns.htm

Also, are there any double bracket (unsleeved) still in the world?

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Post by Bryn666 » Sun Mar 12, 2006 20:42

Yes, there are still several scattered around Lancashire.

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Post by DavidBrown » Sun Mar 12, 2006 20:44

There used to be a small one of them at the end of my road, but it got replaces with a single-mast modern one (so one road is lit, but the other isn't!). :evil:

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Post by RobJ29A » Sun Mar 12, 2006 23:26

Streetlights online is a good website to visit if you want to see more. Use this link.
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Post by Lil » Mon Mar 13, 2006 14:30

Barnstaple used to have some but I expect they are long gone now.

As for the lights on Norfolk bridge at Shoreham; I am only going on a photograph I have here, they rather look like concrete columns on the bridge itself... although that could be the perspective...

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Post by DavidBrown » Mon Mar 13, 2006 16:39

Lil wrote:Barnstaple used to have some but I expect they are long gone now.
Where abouts? There's still loads left in Ilfracombe - if you know where to look! As I say, there used to be a couple on my road until they were replaced last year.

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Post by Lil » Mon Mar 13, 2006 18:13

Pottington Industrial Estate and the A361 Braunton Road used to. Many were removed in 1993 when Pottington Junction was tweaked. A good few double bracket columns too.

last thing I knew (around 2000/2001) the remaining ones were still there but probably long gone now.

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Post by Gareth » Mon Mar 13, 2006 18:35

There is a streetlight site based mainly on Merseyside. I can't find it on google no matter how much I search. :cry:

Someone put a link for it on here a while back. Anyone know which site I mean?

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Post by DavidBrown » Mon Mar 13, 2006 18:49

Lil wrote:Pottington Industrial Estate and the A361 Braunton Road used to. Many were removed in 1993 when Pottington Junction was tweaked. A good few double bracket columns too.

last thing I knew (around 2000/2001) the remaining ones were still there but probably long gone now.

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Yep, long gone now. The bypass works will mean that some of their replacements will be dismantled aswell! I think there may still be a few in the Pilton area - particularly at the other end of Chaddiford Lane from Pottington.

Just as an aside, when you say Pottington junction was 'tweaked', in what way was it 'tweaked', and was that when those stupid 'get in lane' signs telling most traffic to queue in the inside lane were put up? Do you know what the point of them is, as the outside lane also goes into Barnstaple! :evil:

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Post by ABeaton » Mon Mar 13, 2006 19:13

Most sleeved Conctrete Lamposts are more modern addations. In Dartford, there are a few that were done in the 00's. A canadate for the last concrete lampost built is M18 J3 and J4. This section of road was built in 1979. Very rare to see concrete lamposts on Motorways mind you.
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