Puffin crossings - a blunder?

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It seems I was under the impression that the VisiPads were in use for pedestrians at L1, and it turns out they are used for Bus detection only at this site.

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Also, whilst I'm replying... What's a Pegasus and Toucan crossing without any detection what so ever, and one standard 2.8(?)m crossing point on the carriageway called? :wink:
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traffic-light-man wrote:Also, whilst I'm replying... What's a Pegasus and Toucan crossing without any detection what so ever, and one standard 2.8(?)m crossing point on the carriageway called? :wink:
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A pucan?
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Chris Bertram wrote:
traffic-light-man wrote:Also, whilst I'm replying... What's a Pegasus and Toucan crossing without any detection what so ever, and one standard 2.8(?)m crossing point on the carriageway called? :wink:
Dangerous!
Well, that's what's been installed on the A540 at the new A494-M56 connection.

It's appauling. It had no tactile when I visited last week, and only one audiable unit (I assume installed, but definitley functioning). There's not enough space for the equestrian on the pad provided, and no pad provided at all on the opposite side. Furthermore, one of the nearsides might as well be a farside the way it's positioned.
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Actually its unlawful.

And the local authority and the designer personally is taking a very big risk.
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I'm not sure if its not actually a HA site as it's on a Highways Agency road.

Here's a video slide show anyway. There are more pics available to anyone who wishes to view them :lol:

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Scottish hybrid site no. 3:
Kirkintilloch Road, Lenzie
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traffic-light-man wrote:I'm not sure if its not actually a HA site as it's on a Highways Agency road.

Here's a video slide show anyway. There are more pics available to anyone who wishes to view them :lol:

Link to video.
Thats just so wrong and how definitely not how to do a Toucan/Equestrian!
jcpren wrote:Scottish hybrid site no. 3:
Kirkintilloch Road, Lenzie
Scotland is a law unto itself but down south that is definitely unlawful.
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M4Mark wrote:Thats just so wrong and how definitely not how to do a Toucan/Equestrian!
Its not even designed correctly as far as tactile paving goes. Only two slabs on the one spine and no spine on the other. But at least they managed to put three slab width on the "straight-on" approach, even though tactile paving must not be used on equestrian crossings.
DfT wrote:It is usually desirable to provide a cyclist and/or pedestrian as well as an equestrian crossing facility. In this case the pedestrian/cyclist and equestrian parts of the crossing must be segregated, see TSRGD7.
As for the scottish crossing, I see they've made the common error of putting the zig zags the wrong way round. Doh!

Its high time that Engineers should be stutorily licenced to practice traffic engineering as it seems that any old dogsbody can put crap out on the street nowadays.
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It's as if they've done a Toucan very badly and then ontop of that stuck up a pair of AGD929s as a complete after thought :roll:

With regards to the Scottish one, it's just like the Isle of Man crossings are set up...
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M4Mark wrote:Thats just so wrong and how definitely not how to do a Toucan/Equestrian!
How about this courtesy of TfL land? :wink:
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RoadKill wrote:How about this courtesy of TfL land? :wink:
Oh the crap just keeps on rolling doesn't it...

Lets see...

1) Pushbuttons on the cycle facility are too high;
2) No dropped crossing for the cyclists;
3) Theres a bollard in the middle of the crossing point on the northern side;
4) There are no apparent demand units for the cyclists;
5) The signals for the cyclists are not permitted;
5) There are laybys with loading restrictions within the controlled zone;
6) There are road markings other than the zig zags within the controlled zone;

On another note, the no-entry signs on the side road are not in the most optimal positions either.

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boing_uk wrote:...tactile paving must not be used on equestrian crossings.
That's prejudice against blind horses!!!
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ziltro wrote:
boing_uk wrote:...tactile paving must not be used on equestrian crossings.
That's prejudice against blind horses!!!
It's not the horse that needs to know about the crossing or where it is, it's the rider (who wouldnt be able to feel the tactile anyway, regardless) :wink:
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Here's another puffin oddity from TfL land.
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I'm I the only one who has problems with the streetview links jumping to different bits- a random junction down the road in Lenzie and a crossroads in Wimbledon. Got both of them eventually!
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RoadKill wrote:Here's another puffin oddity from TfL land.
Ahh, a longitudinal puffin; I've got one of those too. Not that anyone uses it, mind...
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Boing_uk. As you say there is a straight on approach on one side so there shouldn't be a "spine" on the tactiles. The rectangular block is correct for that layout (although shouldn't be there anyway on the horsey bit).
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Are you sure Ian? Reading the guidance it would suggest that there should still be a stem on the right hand side.
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Has anybody read this interesting TfL report on the Puffin and Pelican crossings?
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