Botched Roadsigns

[Dougman]

I don't know if we've seen this before, but it was linked to on another part of the internet Yuck!. Added bonus: if you look at the streetview before someone vomited hard landscaping onto the road, they use the wrong pedestrian crossing sign too!

[Big L]

Anyone got an idea why this weight restriction sign

has appeared since the Streetview car last went by.

For info, this bit of the B4363 has signs at each end with a 7.5t limit (not on streetview at the top of the hill, but there is this in advance of the roundabout and this very faded de-restriction sign, with this at the bottom.

Just one repeater (?) sign, mounted very high up and probably 95%+ of the way along the restriction. Odd.

[Truvelo]

That's a junction I use a lot and never even noticed the new sign. I assume there should be something below it to indicate which routes it applies to as otherwise lorries wouldn't be able to legally approach the roundabout. As far as I'm aware the only legal route for lorries from there is the A454 south.

At the same roundabout is this botch. Not just the plate which has been fixed below the sign but the spacing of the characters is also wrong. There should be a bigger gap between B and the numbers, not the other way round

[DB617]

Correct me if this is in some way normal, but which one is it?! I can't see many people being able to make sense of that.

The weight restrictions in Caerau estate make no sense anyway. At the other main in/outflow, Heol Trelai - the higher quality road compared to Amroth Road - has a '5t except for access' sign, which is strange as all of the through roads - apart from a tiny S1 rat run past a school and onto the A4050 - connect back onto the A48. Therefore, the only traffic passing through that wasn't 'for access' would be onto the rat run. Which could have its own weight restriction. I dunno.

[Chris5156]

Correct me if this is in some way normal, but which one is it?! I can't see many people being able to make sense of that.

That's just absurd. It needs just one weight restriction sign, with the plate indicating the times it applies and then the text "except for access".

[Andy33gmail]

I read it as:

-No goods vehicles with a permitted MGW over 7.5 tons except for access
-In addition, no such vehicles except between 9am and 5pm

Therefore, access only between 9am and 5pm, complete ban outside these hours

A single plate with a time and restrictions would imply 9am-5pm is access only, full access outside these hours

I’d be curious to know what is specified in the TRO

Of course, I guess if my reading were the correct interpretation, it should be
-7.5t
-At any time
-Except for access

And then below

-7.5t
-Between 9am-5pm

Yuck

[Fahad]

I feel the same way about the hundreds of London Lorry Control signs, e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5505967 ... 384!8i8192

Lengthy explanation of time restrictions, then "Except permit holders". Why not just ban all lorries apart from permit holders, and make the online haulier portal automatically approve deliveries within the irrelevant hours?

[ChrisH]

I feel the same way about the hundreds of London Lorry Control signs, e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5505967 ... 384!8i8192

Lengthy explanation of time restrictions, then "Except permit holders". Why not just ban all lorries apart from permit holders, and make the online haulier portal automatically approve deliveries within the irrelevant hours?

The LLCS signs are symptomatic of the way the scheme is administered (by London Councils). Most of the signs are out of date, because the weight limit is now 18t not 16.5t as many of the signs say. LB Barnet still has lots of signs up even though they are no longer part of the scheme. And the enforcement or permissions are absurd. But that's a story for another day.

[doebag]

Centre of Wisbech, by the Town Bridge

https://goo.gl/maps/VyidM1GF9So

What is there legally to stop a car passing to the right of the man in the blue shirt ? As I witnessed this morning.
No 'No Entry' signage, no 'Keep Left' on the left hand bollard

There is no legal requirement to install Keep Left or No entry signs.

Anyone driving with due care and attention will see the Give Way lines, the island and the edge of carriageway lines beyond, indicating where they may turn right.

So are you saying the double dash give way lines also indicate No Entry

[nowster]

So are you saying the double dash give way lines also indicate No Entry

Cough: https://goo.gl/maps/Dpabin29XHRmsf12A

[doebag]

So are you saying the double dash give way lines also indicate No Entry

Cough: https://goo.gl/maps/Dpabin29XHRmsf12A

Exactly, I never thought they did, but Conekickers reply seemed to imply they do. So back to my original post, what is there legally to stop a car passing to the right of the island where the man in the blue shirt is standing ?

[linuxrocks]

I'm not sure what is wrong with the rectangular "One Way" sign below the blue arrow. I walk by it 6 days a week and it is almost always at a different angle to the day before. If you look at it from behind the silver car on the left of the image, you'll see it is almost facing the correct way (which is rare).

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.45794 ... 312!8i6656

[Arcuarius]

Little bit of an oops on a streetlit section of the A611 near Hucknall. I pass it every day but have only recently noticed it for the overgrown vegetation. It's meant to be a 50 limit through here...

[Patrick Harper]

While you're on the topic of weight restriction signs, the implementation of this ADS seems wrong as the connecting roads are only barred from such vehicles 'except for access', in which case the respective symbols should not be shown on the ADS.

[Arcuarius]

While you're on the topic of weight restriction signs, the implementation of this ADS seems wrong as the connecting roads are only barred from such vehicles 'except for access', in which case the respective symbols should not be shown on the ADS.

For such a new sign, the roundels should also feature the lowercase 't'.

[Conekicker]

Centre of Wisbech, by the Town Bridge

https://goo.gl/maps/VyidM1GF9So

What is there legally to stop a car passing to the right of the man in the blue shirt ? As I witnessed this morning.
No 'No Entry' signage, no 'Keep Left' on the left hand bollard

There is no legal requirement to install Keep Left or No entry signs.

Anyone driving with due care and attention will see the Give Way lines, the island and the edge of carriageway lines beyond, indicating where they may turn right.

So are you saying the double dash give way lines also indicate No Entry

No, they indicate exactly what TSRGD says, which is, "Vehicular traffic must give way in accordance with the requirements in paragraph 7 of Part 7" and nothing else.

[Bfivethousand]

While you're on the topic of weight restriction signs, the implementation of this ADS seems wrong as the connecting roads are only barred from such vehicles 'except for access', in which case the respective symbols should not be shown on the ADS.

They're OK. It's quite conventional to display environmental weight limits on such signs regardless of the various exemptions that may apply. Any such exemptions are only displayed at the point of entry to the restriction.

There are very few situations where no exemptions apply to an environmental weight limit. If there was a rule preventing such limits with exemptions being displayed on direction signs you'd barely see them anywhere.

[mnb20]

Surely going the wrong side of the bollard there is just like driving on the wrong side of the road anywhere else - it's not illegal, but if there is an accident you are likely to be found at fault, and could potentially be guilty of dangerous driving.

[nowster]

So, legally, you can go straight on a straight arrow

On a right arrow, presumably you can legally u-turn but not turn right?

If you look at GSV, the original configuration was left and straight ahead.

I reported it using fixmystreet.com and had a reply back from TfGM within 10 minutes.

Thanks, it has been reported as a fault and is with our signal maintenance company to rectify

At least it is being rectified. A similar one happened to me when I reported a Keep RIGHT bollard on a normal single carriageway refuge island...

Not fixed a week later...

[jimboLL]

While you're on the topic of weight restriction signs, the implementation of this ADS seems wrong as the connecting roads are only barred from such vehicles 'except for access', in which case the respective symbols should not be shown on the ADS.

They're OK. It's quite conventional to display environmental weight limits on such signs regardless of the various exemptions that may apply. Any such exemptions are only displayed at the point of entry to the restriction.

There are very few situations where no exemptions apply to an environmental weight limit. If there was a rule preventing such limits with exemptions being displayed on direction signs you'd barely see them anywhere.

So what can be made of this?:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6765332 ... 384!8i8192

Further up the A674 the weight restriction is qualified by "Except for access", which is lucky because there's a coach depot and a petrol station up there!