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MotorwayGuy wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 12:48 Advisory no right turn.
Simpler and better than the complicated sign Costco in Glasgow used to have. It was often disobeyed leading to congestion. Now it's more difficult to disobey. Though I have witnessed that it is still possible. While I miss the option to turn right at quieter times, congestion is reduced overall - though worse in Cobden Road. When they changed the road layout they should have made the traffic island slightly longer and prohibited right turns into Costco. I presume they didn't in case having to U-turn at the roundabout lost them customers.

Think the double yellows are candidates for botched road markings.
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swissferry wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 19:41
MotorwayGuy wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 12:48 Advisory no right turn.
Simpler and better than the complicated sign Costco in Glasgow used to have. It was often disobeyed leading to congestion. Now it's more difficult to disobey. Though I have witnessed that it is still possible. While I miss the option to turn right at quieter times, congestion is reduced overall - though worse in Cobden Road. When they changed the road layout they should have made the traffic island slightly longer and prohibited right turns into Costco. I presume they didn't in case having to U-turn at the roundabout lost them customers.

Think the double yellows are candidates for botched road markings.
What is it about Costco and slightly bizarre street furniture use?
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tom66 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 09:03
MotorwayGuy wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 21:43 You obviously aren't supposed to turn right here, but there are no signs prohibiting it. This markings here at this junction suggest there is also no right turns, but no signs to prohibit it.
What's with the yellow box in that junction -- it's split into two smaller boxes? As if they wanted to paint a white line through it? I've not seen that before.
Quite like the way this yellow box is split.
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swissferry wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 19:47 Quite like the way this yellow box is split.
The work experience kid who designed it probably thought it looked nice too! :) Right turning traffic is allowed to wait in a box so no idea what this is trying to achieve.
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Dougman wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 08:47
swissferry wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 19:47 Quite like the way this yellow box is split.
The work experience kid who designed it probably thought it looked nice too! :) Right turning traffic is allowed to wait in a box so no idea what this is trying to achieve.
Enables the right turn lane paint without causing visual overload (and also theoretically permits traffic to enter the junction to turn right when their exit is not clear.)

It seems to be painted quite long. Don't know if this is an attempt to ensure at least some sort of gap is left or to maintain sightlines?
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Not an actual botch and not on a public road. But thought it was interesting all the same. This joins the A49 at Little Leigh.
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jnty wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:48 Always wonder how Captain Dickson wrangled such a detailed and unusual sign.
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But yes, how that wording got approved is a puzzle. Maybe the local council pushed for it many many years ago.
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jnty wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 09:34
Dougman wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 08:47
swissferry wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 19:47 Quite like the way this yellow box is split.
The work experience kid who designed it probably thought it looked nice too! :) Right turning traffic is allowed to wait in a box so no idea what this is trying to achieve.
Enables the right turn lane paint without causing visual overload (and also theoretically permits traffic to enter the junction to turn right when their exit is not clear.)

It seems to be painted quite long. Don't know if this is an attempt to ensure at least some sort of gap is left or to maintain sightlines?
Fair point, I would question if it's lawful though
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Big Nick wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 17:00
jnty wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:48 Always wonder how Captain Dickson wrangled such a detailed and unusual sign.
He was the first British soldier to qualify as a pilot, and demonstrated to the Army how an aircraft could be used for recon and artillery spotting. Sadly he was the first to die from a midair collision. If you get the chance do pull over there and explore the beautiful hillside graveyard. Just don't try and drive all the way up as there's no turning at the top!
He certainly had a varied career: https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/ ... ckson.html

But yes, how that wording got approved is a puzzle. Maybe the local council pushed for it many many years ago.
Interesting! I shall have to stop next time. Though it sounds like I wouldn't find out much more about him by doing so than could otherwise be gleaned from the sign!
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Skermington wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 13:33 Eww
Wakefield. They have some very strange ideas when it comes to sign design.
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I believe those are replicas of very early motorway signage.
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MotorwayGuy wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 21:27 Traffic island?
Referring to the tiger tail near the end of the slip road.
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MotorwayGuy wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 21:27 Traffic island?
The ghost island at the merge, but there are better ways of signing it.
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Glen wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 23:24
MotorwayGuy wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 21:27 Traffic island?
The ghost island at the merge, but there are better ways of signing it.
Like this, for instance, a Diagram 874.
A56merge.pdf
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Conekicker wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 13:46
Glen wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 23:24
MotorwayGuy wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 21:27 Traffic island?
The ghost island at the merge, but there are better ways of signing it.
Like this, for instance, a Diagram 874.
A56merge.pdf
Ha, this is the road where they replaced several sign supports to be passive and reused the 40 year old plates. What makes you think they'll do that?

The old blue signs are hangovers from the Anderson report signs that dealt with what we now know as tiger tails. They were never in TSRGD proper but we have several of them still standing:

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https://goo.gl/maps/p3wX67YnnsPeU5L18
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Bryn666 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 16:26
Conekicker wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 13:46
Glen wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 23:24
The ghost island at the merge, but there are better ways of signing it.
Like this, for instance, a Diagram 874.
A56merge.pdf
Ha, this is the road where they replaced several sign supports to be passive and reused the 40 year old plates. What makes you think they'll do that?

The old blue signs are hangovers from the Anderson report signs that dealt with what we now know as tiger tails. They were never in TSRGD proper but we have several of them still standing:

https://goo.gl/maps/fUNjADtSQFrUxE3CA
https://goo.gl/maps/p3wX67YnnsPeU5L18
That shows a disturbing - but sadly entirely normal these days - lack of knowledge on the part of whichever set of numpties look after those bits of road.
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Conekicker wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 17:15
Bryn666 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 16:26
Conekicker wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 13:46 Like this, for instance, a Diagram 874.
A56merge.pdf
Ha, this is the road where they replaced several sign supports to be passive and reused the 40 year old plates. What makes you think they'll do that?

The old blue signs are hangovers from the Anderson report signs that dealt with what we now know as tiger tails. They were never in TSRGD proper but we have several of them still standing:

https://goo.gl/maps/fUNjADtSQFrUxE3CA
https://goo.gl/maps/p3wX67YnnsPeU5L18
That shows a disturbing - but sadly entirely normal these days - lack of knowledge on the part of whichever set of numpties look after those bits of road.
If you look back to 2011, the sign on the right had disappeared and was replaced by 2012 with a brand new one!
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