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the cheesecake man wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 20:07 M6 North Wales

Following that announcement with a list of places which are quite definitely not in North Wales looks a bit daft to me. :? The M6 doesn't go to North Wales at all, and Chester was signed off at the previous junction. Is it supposed to say "The North West"?
At J18 you're advised to turn off for Chester but stay on the M6 for North Wales (see). Gone are the days when you'd get off at J16 for both....
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vlad wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 20:35
At J18 you're advised to turn off for Chester but stay on the M6 for North Wales (see).
Even though you go past Chester to get to North Wales. And which way for Saltney? :?
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the cheesecake man wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 20:07 M6 North Wales

Following that announcement with a list of places which are quite definitely not in North Wales looks a bit daft to me. :? The M6 doesn't go to North Wales at all, and Chester was signed off at the previous junction. Is it supposed to say "The North West"?
North Wales is a regional destination, and so is saying "this is the road for everywhere in North Wales", so it would be a bit silly to say include a load of places in North Wales, and say "this is the road for everywhere in North Wales and all these places in North Wales"...

Just like this sign on the M1 near Wakefield isn't saying that Barnsley and Sheffield are in The South, but that the road goes to Barnsley, Sheffield and The South.
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Stevie D wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 21:19 Just like this sign on the M1 near Wakefield isn't saying that Barnsley and Sheffield are in The South, but that the road goes to Barnsley, Sheffield and The South.
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I've always interpreted "The North" and "The South" to be vague relative descriptions so Barnsley and Sheffield, being south of Wakefield, are accurately included. That logic doesn't work for "North Wales". This may just be another case of me being a weirdo so not having the same logic as more sane folk.

:idea: Perhaps that sign on the M6 should do something like this:

THE NORTH WEST
Warrington
Preston
(Blackpool)
Lancaster

(NORTH WALES)
Chester
Llandudno
Bangor
Holyhead/Caergybi
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Middle lane for Meltham

Where's it gone?

Oh there it is

I think we have another nomination for smallest font on a sign.
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the cheesecake man wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 15:10 Middle lane for Meltham

Where's it gone?

Oh there it is

I think we have another nomination for smallest font on a sign.
And that have easily not been bodged if the panel had been altered to read:

Holmfirth
Meltham
A616

No need to mention at that location either of the bracketed routes.
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Stevie D wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 21:19
the cheesecake man wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 20:07 M6 North Wales

Following that announcement with a list of places which are quite definitely not in North Wales looks a bit daft to me. :? The M6 doesn't go to North Wales at all, and Chester was signed off at the previous junction. Is it supposed to say "The North West"?
North Wales is a regional destination, and so is saying "this is the road for everywhere in North Wales", so it would be a bit silly to say include a load of places in North Wales, and say "this is the road for everywhere in North Wales and all these places in North Wales"...
North Wales isn't directly accessible from the M6 corridor, and it could therefore be argued that something to the tune of "North Wales (M56)" is more suitable.
the cheesecake man wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 14:58 I've always interpreted "The North" and "The South" to be vague relative descriptions so Barnsley and Sheffield, being south of Wakefield, are accurately included. That logic doesn't work for "North Wales". This may just be another case of me being a weirdo so not having the same logic as more sane folk.

:idea: Perhaps that sign on the M6 should do something like this:

THE NORTH WEST
Warrington
Preston
(Blackpool)
Lancaster

(NORTH WALES)
Chester
Llandudno
Bangor
Holyhead/Caergybi
Myself, I'd say that signing manifold primary-destinations in North Wales isn't necessary at that point, nor at any point on the M6 and "North Wales" alone in some context does suffice. Once you've crossed onto the M56 at J20A, the regional-destination is at that point somewhat overly ambiguous and some North Wales-based PDs would be appropriate, I'm usually turning off at Conwy for Snowdonia so the distance to that would be helpful.
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There are lots of signs similar to this at Westwood Cross in Thanet that assume all A-roads are primary, and put all the numbers in green patches on white signs even though the road is not primary.

This one is a bad example - the A254 has never been primary, nor has this part of the A256, but the signs suggest otherwise.
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Conekicker wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 17:59
the cheesecake man wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 15:10 Middle lane for Meltham

Where's it gone?

Oh there it is

I think we have another nomination for smallest font on a sign.
And that have easily not been bodged if the panel had been altered to read:

Holmfirth
Meltham
A616

No need to mention at that location either of the bracketed routes.
You say small? well how about this
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GSV botch: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.21409 ... 312!8i6656

If only that road existed in real life.
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OliverH wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 23:39 You say small? well how about this
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On the A1?

Area 7, ahh bless.
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https://goo.gl/maps/cfyuuo8B2e3Nwy4c6

Let's align our place names to the right, rather than the left, since it is a right turn!

--- Meanwhile at Bournemouth airport ---

https://goo.gl/maps/6nUDGnaq71L8wqVL6

Let's have a 20 speed limit sign on one side of the road and a 10 on the other!
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Conekicker wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 17:59
the cheesecake man wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 15:10 Middle lane for Meltham

Where's it gone?

Oh there it is

I think we have another nomination for smallest font on a sign.
And that have easily not been bodged if the panel had been altered to read:

Holmfirth
Meltham
A616

No need to mention at that location either of the bracketed routes.
Even worse that B6108 is not in brackets, but should be (unless we go with your better plan, which also has the advantage of being consistent with the first sign in this sequence).
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TS wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 14:00 https://goo.gl/maps/cfyuuo8B2e3Nwy4c6

Let's align our place names to the right, rather than the left, since it is a right turn!

--- Meanwhile at Bournemouth airport ---

https://goo.gl/maps/6nUDGnaq71L8wqVL6

Let's have a 20 speed limit sign on one side of the road and a 10 on the other!
Right-alignment of text is permitted on lane drop signs where it reinforces the need to keep right to remain on a mainline but it looks absolutely weird on a flag sign and is not recommended at all.
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Two signs face traffic coming up the A3123 Belgrave Place towards Eaton Square. But is it the A3217 or isn't it?

(The answer is that it is the A3217, the sign on the right is wrong, and is also missing the correct spacing between the letter A and the digits of the road number.)
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Hi!

Botched not once but three times:–

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.90728,- ... 384!8i8192

That sign has been renewed at least three times to my knowledge and it STILL hasn't got the chopsticks on the straight–ahead blue motorway panel that should be there – I know I've seen at least three variations of it on my travels up there over the years!

Whose is it, H.E's, T & W or Durham CC's?

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Chris56000 wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 20:20Whose is it, H.E's, T & W or Durham CC's?
The A1 is a trunk road so it's Highways England.

FWIW it lies outside County Durham, so could never be theirs, and Tyne & Wear hasn't had a county-level authority since 1986. The local authority there is Gateshead Council.
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Retail park :roll:
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Chris5156 wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 21:02
Chris56000 wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 20:20Whose is it, H.E's, T & W or Durham CC's?
The A1 is a trunk road so it's Highways England.

FWIW it lies outside County Durham, so could never be theirs, and Tyne & Wear hasn't had a county-level authority since 1986. The local authority there is Gateshead Council.
All the signs on the recent A1 widening past Gateshead are wrong. Apparently though people are really proud of the work they produce on trunk roads and I am churlish for criticising them. God help us.
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Are cyclists allowed to turn right outside Sheffield Children's Hospital?

Yes or no ?
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