Botched Roadsigns

[Conekicker]

Last time I checked, 183 was an odd number!

Rempstone.jpg

Absolutely, his mate 181 is a bit dodgy too

Some of these errors amaze me that they escape several people checking designs. Can only conclude QA processes aren't worth the paper people print them on.

Can only conclude design checks never (or VERY rarely) happen. It's a big part of my role now - not certain the designers like me picking their work apart but some of the errors are "school boy" and easily fixed.

[Bryn666]

Last time I checked, 183 was an odd number!

Rempstone.jpg

Absolutely, his mate 181 is a bit dodgy too

Some of these errors amaze me that they escape several people checking designs. Can only conclude QA processes aren't worth the paper people print them on.

Can only conclude design checks never (or VERY rarely) happen. It's a big part of my role now - not certain the designers like me picking their work apart but some of the errors are "school boy" and easily fixed.

I like to give the big boys the benefit of the doubt but it's clear that the QA process is more concerned with BIM compliance in terms of file names and title blocks than what is actually contained within the drawing frame these days.

[the cheesecake man]

Still doesn't beat the "3 yards" here
https://goo.gl/maps/cLeYpT8xPQVjtRFx7
...which even then might be an overstatement!

And it looks like it used to say 30 yards

[A320Driver]

Interesting one I spotted in Epsom today. Lane 3 was recently re-marked as opposite direction (now a two-way road). The sign just looks wrong, although I’m not sure what would be better, given that Surrey CC have chosen not to replace the sign as it’s relatively new.

A no-entry symbol?
Patch over the two arrows under ‘A24’ with just one arrow?

[Stevie D]

Interesting one I spotted in Epsom today. Lane 3 was recently re-marked as opposite direction (now a two-way road). The sign just looks wrong, although I’m not sure what would be better, given that Surrey CC have chosen not to replace the sign as it’s relatively new.

A no-entry symbol?
Patch over the two arrows under ‘A24’ with just one arrow?

Yes, a patch showing just one arrow under A24 just as for B280 would be the correct way to do it. There's nothing to say that a lane designation sign can only be used on one-way roads – it is common to use them on two-way roads and there's then no need to make any mention of oncoming lanes.

[Truvelo]

Is Epsom the latest ring road to be converted to two way? This is a retrograde step which adds conflicting movements. West Bromwich, Telford and Ashford ring roads received the same treatment. Instead of freeflowing LILO's there are now delays which never existed before

[Piatkow]

Absolutely, his mate 181 is a bit dodgy too

Some of these errors amaze me that they escape several people checking designs. Can only conclude QA processes aren't worth the paper people print them on.

Can only conclude design checks never (or VERY rarely) happen. It's a big part of my role now - not certain the designers like me picking their work apart but some of the errors are "school boy" and easily fixed.

I like to give the big boys the benefit of the doubt but it's clear that the QA process is more concerned with BIM compliance in terms of file names and title blocks than what is actually contained within the drawing frame these days.

Seen that in other industries, the QA function is gradually deskilled and staff end up concerning themselves with spelling mistakes rather than technical ones.

[A320Driver]

Is Epsom the latest ring road to be converted to two way? This is a retrograde step which adds conflicting movements. West Bromwich, Telford and Ashford ring roads received the same treatment. Instead of freeflowing LILO's there are now delays which never existed before

No, it’s just the western flank that has been converted to two-way.

I have to say, it works rather well, and will reduce congestion around the town centre.

[Skipsy]

Obviously abandoned signs, but all of these no waiting regulations for trucks and buses in the middle of New Malden junction's roundabout, with all the surroundings being a red route anyway: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.39926 ... 384!8i8192

[Rob590]

Interesting one I spotted in Epsom today. Lane 3 was recently re-marked as opposite direction (now a two-way road). The sign just looks wrong, although I’m not sure what would be better, given that Surrey CC have chosen not to replace the sign as it’s relatively new.

A no-entry symbol?
Patch over the two arrows under ‘A24’ with just one arrow?
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Based on the sign alone, this looks potentially quite dangerous - at a glance it could easily look like a sign for a one-way street, or it could imply that the road is going one-way ahead. Maybe it's clearer on hte road and so that's not a risk?

[Bfivethousand]

Shipley, straight ahead.

And that's final.

[Rambo]

Just looking on GSV and there appears to be lots of new signs around Llandudno town centre using various coloured borders. Surely non standard. This one has a green, brown, red and blue border https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3221048 ... 312!8i6656 and has only appeared in the last few years.

[Big L]

Presume there is a sign somewhere on the way in that explains the coliur codes.

[Chris Bertram]

Just looking on GSV and there appears to be lots of new signs around Llandudno town centre using various coloured borders. Surely non standard. This one has a green, brown, red and blue border https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3221048 ... 312!8i6656 and has only appeared in the last few years.

They would appear to denote different classes of car park. I'd guess there's short stay, medium stay, long stay and, this being a holiday resort, very long stay. It's a shame that we can't tell from this which is which (though one could make a couple of educated guesses).

[DB617]

Just looking on GSV and there appears to be lots of new signs around Llandudno town centre using various coloured borders. Surely non standard. This one has a green, brown, red and blue border https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3221048 ... 312!8i6656 and has only appeared in the last few years.

They did this at Cardiff Airport for a whole after a rather comprehensive re-signing project on the approach road. Except that the colour coding was using various fluorescent hi-vis colours and two-letter codes, with the legend on a separate sign. All on a 50mph bendy and complex S2 road. All gone now, because it was utterly baffling.

[Rambo]

The colour codes seem a bit overkill. I'm not sure what is wrong with a simple sign saying 'Long Stay car park' etc. Just the council trying to complicate things as usual.

[TS]

Pretty sure this is wrong - If it was a primary route just here, one of the pairs of brackets would be unnecessary; if both are necessary, then the sign shouldn't be green.

(I've faced this sign at the traffic lights a zillion times and only yesterday did I muse that it shouldn't be green!)

https://goo.gl/maps/Kg19k2m4CNtF6eNz6

[jervi]

Pretty sure this is wrong - If it was a primary route just here, one of the pairs of brackets would be unnecessary; if both are necessary, then the sign shouldn't be green.

(I've faced this sign at the traffic lights a zillion times and only yesterday did I muse that it shouldn't be green!)

https://goo.gl/maps/Kg19k2m4CNtF6eNz6

Yup that is wrong.
However it isn't uncommon to see roads (especially links) near a primary route to have primary route signs on the way "out of town". Much of the A2011 leaving Crawley has primary signs.

[jervi]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.11404 ... 312!8i6656
No entry except for buses and taxis, but yeah lets put a cycle lane there.

[TS]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.11404 ... 312!8i6656
No entry except for buses and taxis, but yeah lets put a cycle lane there.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but wouldn't they have to put "except ... cyclists", otherwise the cycle lane would be unusuable?