OliverH wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 23:30
could be disguised as a secret entrance to RAF Welford
It is a back entrance to RAF Welford, there's no secret about it. The reason the sign has a red border is because that is the colour for signs indicating military installations.
Locals maintain that this slip road leads to RAF Welford, which was used as a base by the US during the cold war. This would explain the rectangular shapes on the millennium map - they are missile silos. My mother, who lives near Newbury, has always maintained that the cruise missiles, allegedly at nearby Greenham Common, were in fact based at Welford. This would make sense, if only in terms of transport logistics. Cruise missiles were designed to be mobile and capable of being launched from any part of the country. To reach the M4 from Greenham (in the 80s) necessitated driving through Newbury, whereas Welford has its own private slip road. Perhaps all the women who so persistently protested against the cruise missiles were actually camping in the wrong place after all.
OliverH wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 23:30
could be disguised as a secret entrance to RAF Welford
It is a back entrance to RAF Welford, there's no secret about it. The reason the sign has a red border is because that is the colour for signs indicating military installations.
Indeed so. I was just wondering about the logic of signing it as "works unit" apparently to obscure the fact that it's an access to the military base (rather than something like "RAF Welford - authorised vehicles only") but then un-obscuring it by using the red "military" sign. Possibly it's just intended to prevent visitors to the base trying to go that way.
OliverH wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 23:30
could be disguised as a secret entrance to RAF Welford
It is a back entrance to RAF Welford, there's no secret about it. The reason the sign has a red border is because that is the colour for signs indicating military installations.
Indeed so. I was just wondering about the logic of signing it as "works unit" apparently to obscure the fact that it's an access to the military base (rather than something like "RAF Welford - authorised vehicles only") but then un-obscuring it by using the red "military" sign. Possibly it's just intended to prevent visitors to the base trying to go that way.
Yes, it's a case of mixed messages really. The red and white signs are quite old now; whoever is responsible for signage on that part of HE's network has evidently decided that something less obviously military-related is required because one of them has been replaced in the last few years and is a standard white on blue sign with the same "works unit only" legend. That feels rather more logical to me.
Stevie D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 20:25
I think the logic there is that you start off with all the destinations reached along the road, and then move to destinations reached along other roads.
So you have:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.23805 ... 384!8i8192
This one annoyed me the other day.
Go bored of using the M23, so used the A217/A23 instead however this sign is wrong and resulted in me going around the gyratory again.
The left stack should be a flag sign, not a stack. Maybe my knowledge in road signs is a disadvantage and I have too much faith in things being signed correctly.
jervi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 22:30https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.23805 ... 384!8i8192
This one annoyed me the other day.
Go bored of using the M23, so used the A217/A23 instead however this sign is wrong and resulted in me going around the gyratory again.
The left stack should be a flag sign, not a stack. Maybe my knowledge in road signs is a disadvantage and I have too much faith in things being signed correctly.
jervi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 22:30https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.23805 ... 384!8i8192
This one annoyed me the other day.
Go bored of using the M23, so used the A217/A23 instead however this sign is wrong and resulted in me going around the gyratory again.
The left stack should be a flag sign, not a stack. Maybe my knowledge in road signs is a disadvantage and I have too much faith in things being signed correctly.
Cumbria has a lot of low height signs like this - it's very reminiscent of French direction signs in about 1966 when they were reliant on low powered headlamps to illuminate a sign so always went for ground level.
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There's plenty of variations of such signs out there. They're not legally enforcable as speed limits, only advisory (ones like this use a sign more familiar to those generally used for advisory limits). However, if you went through at 30 at school kick out time and knocked over a child, I suspect there would be enough options in the way of careless/dangerous driving charges to land you in hot water.
I think the logic there is that you start off with all the destinations reached along the road, and then move to destinations reached along other roads.
So you have:
There's plenty of variations of such signs out there. They're not legally enforcable as speed limits, only advisory (ones like this use a sign more familiar to those generally used for advisory limits). However, if you went through at 30 at school kick out time and knocked over a child, I suspect there would be enough options in the way of careless/dangerous driving charges to land you in hot water.
On the other hand, ones like this are enforceable - and enforced, it's common to find a speed camera stationed outside the schools.
There are various versions in different local authorities – some, like this one, are only advisory, while others are mandatory.
To me, it seems like a far more sensible option than what we have round here, which is mandatory 20mph limits outside schools 24/7, even on main roads. Because they are used indiscriminately and on roads where (for most of the time) there is no evident reason to slow below 30mph, this habituates drivers into ignoring them – whereas the flashing lights make it clear why the limit is in place and because it is only in place when needed and not for the 95% of the time when there are no kids going in or out of the school, I would expect better compliance (although it would be good to see some actual data rather than just my supposition!).
Not sure if these small green signs are supposed to be down by the floor at the bottom of the signal poles but they look botchy and hideous. They are all like it so I can only assume they are supposed to be like that