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Bryn666 wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 14:40
Chris5156 wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 00:03
the cheesecake man wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 22:23And here's a nomination for the most unnecessary abbreviation. Having managed to write out Hartshead Moor Top in full, just why couldn't the painters write Cleckheaton properly as well? :ipunch:
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Owain wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:29
Bryn666 wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 14:40
Chris5156 wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 00:03
It m'kes absolutely no s'nse.
It's c'heating.
If you don't like that, you won't like these. (And I'm not sure why there have to be two?)
At least there's a sort of self-awareness with L'derry, unlike B'fast, which is an instruction after you offend someone by getting the city's name wrong.
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Bryn666 wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:59
Owain wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:29
Bryn666 wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 14:40

It's c'heating.
If you don't like that, you won't like these. (And I'm not sure why there have to be two?)
At least there's a sort of self-awareness with L'derry, unlike B'fast, which is an instruction after you offend someone by getting the city's name wrong.
My theory is that they simply had to abbreviate Londonderry to make sure it fitted on the sign.

Then - because it is commonplace to use the forms L'derry, L'Derry, or L/Derry in deference to the sensitivity over the name - they felt obliged to abbreviate Belfast as if to show that the name is indeed Londonderry and it was only being abbreviated for the purpose of ensuring that it fitted on the sign, and no other reason!

M'sandel refers to Mountsandel, a Coleraine suburb, which given the available space, could have been presented as:

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Big L wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 17:49 A lovely double negative but is this sign (and many others) otherwise legitimate?
Unsure if that was authorised as the sign is before 2011 (as far back as you can go on the DfT authorisation page), but examples in Newcastle city centre have been replaced with correct signs
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Nathan_A_RF wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 00:00
Big L wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 17:49 A lovely double negative but is this sign (and many others) otherwise legitimate?
Unsure if that was authorised as the sign is before 2011 (as far back as you can go on the DfT authorisation page), but examples in Newcastle city centre have been replaced with correct signs
And BUS ONLY written on the road, just to confuse.

The correct sign seems a bit wordy.
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jervi wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 21:08 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.81833 ... 384!8i8192
Which is it?
Neither?
There's the same mismatched pair on the other carriageway. I suspect they've been mixed up. It should be "end of dual carriageway" approaching the roundabout (even though I'm not convinced it's appropriate when the DC ends in a roundabout). The other way I think it does narrow slightly - for some reason the left side of the road has been hatched out, and the lanes look a little narrower.
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SteelCamel wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 17:56
jervi wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 21:08 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.81833 ... 384!8i8192
Which is it?
Neither?
There's the same mismatched pair on the other carriageway. I suspect they've been mixed up. It should be "end of dual carriageway" approaching the roundabout (even though I'm not convinced it's appropriate when the DC ends in a roundabout). The other way I think it does narrow slightly - for some reason the left side of the road has been hatched out, and the lanes look a little narrower.
Yeah could be the "end of dual carriageway" signs are supposed to be in the opposite direction (TSM does says to use them on approach to roundabout where DC ends), although now the otherside of the roundabout is becoming a DC as well. And I guess going the other way it may be marginally narrower with the hashed out bit but doesn't seem like it should warrent a sign.
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Bryn666 wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:59
Owain wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:29
Bryn666 wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 14:40

It's c'heating.
If you don't like that, you won't like these. (And I'm not sure why there have to be two?)
At least there's a sort of self-awareness with L'derry, unlike B'fast, which is an instruction after you offend someone by getting the city's name wrong.
It looks like it's showing you where to go for a fry-up :coat:
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Owain wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 19:11
Bryn666 wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:59
Owain wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:29 If you don't like that, you won't like these. (And I'm not sure why there have to be two?)
At least there's a sort of self-awareness with L'derry, unlike B'fast, which is an instruction after you offend someone by getting the city's name wrong.
My theory is that they simply had to abbreviate Londonderry to make sure it fitted on the sign.

Then - because it is commonplace to use the forms L'derry, L'Derry, or L/Derry in deference to the sensitivity over the name - they felt obliged to abbreviate Belfast as if to show that the name is indeed Londonderry and it was only being abbreviated for the purpose of ensuring that it fitted on the sign, and no other reason!
It didn't have to be abbreviated, though - this sign falls into the common trap of showing each lane as having its own list of destinations. Where two lanes go the same way the destinations could (and should) be written once across the width of both, giving enough space to put the word in full, and reducing the number of words and the number of abbreviations on the sign.
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Not exactly a botch, but I did a double take on Sunday when returning from my family visit to Worcestershire when approaching this sign on the A519 near Woodseaves because the sign for the opposite direction had been turned very neatly through 180 degrees - and of course that shows a bend to the right! :confused:
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Chris5156 wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:43
Owain wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 19:11
Bryn666 wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 18:59

At least there's a sort of self-awareness with L'derry, unlike B'fast, which is an instruction after you offend someone by getting the city's name wrong.
My theory is that they simply had to abbreviate Londonderry to make sure it fitted on the sign.

Then - because it is commonplace to use the forms L'derry, L'Derry, or L/Derry in deference to the sensitivity over the name - they felt obliged to abbreviate Belfast as if to show that the name is indeed Londonderry and it was only being abbreviated for the purpose of ensuring that it fitted on the sign, and no other reason!
It didn't have to be abbreviated, though - this sign falls into the common trap of showing each lane as having its own list of destinations. Where two lanes go the same way the destinations could (and should) be written once across the width of both, giving enough space to put the word in full, and reducing the number of words and the number of abbreviations on the sign.
Looks like a missed opportunity for the Coleraine loyalists, then!
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.80446 ... 312!8i6656
Ya can't be crossing here, this is only for cycles which I bet 0/year use.
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jervi wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 01:46 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.80446 ... 312!8i6656
Ya can't be crossing here, this is only for cycles which I bet 0/year use.
I can't imagine a pedestrian crossing the road there would inconvenience anyone on a bike. I can't work out what a cyclist is supposed to do with that odd corner of tarmac anyway. What a terrible bit of bike infrastructure.
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Australian traffic lights on the A6 in Milnthorpe.
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ellandback wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 20:51 Australian traffic lights on the A6 in Milnthorpe.
Is it for the petrol station sign?. And that sign surely needs a distance plate if the lights are that far away?
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I'm sorry but I don't understand your question. Your link just seems to come back to this page?
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ellandback wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 20:51 Australian traffic lights on the A6 in Milnthorpe.
Would a sign like that not be based on a standard production template (almost like a stock item), meaning that someone has deliberately specified that the traffic lights should be upside down?
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What on earth... when did the motorway plough through the centre of Milton Keynes?!

On the roundabout at the top of the M1 sliproad you have this: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0579365 ... 384!8i8192

And then just to reinforce the point you get this: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0549487 ... 384!8i8192

All the others are blue too; how hard can it be?
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Jonathan24 wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 17:57
ellandback wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 20:51 Australian traffic lights on the A6 in Milnthorpe.
Would a sign like that not be based on a standard production template (almost like a stock item), meaning that someone has deliberately specified that the traffic lights should be upside down?
I've seen upside down traffic light signs, with the lights the right way up. I'm guessing someone is trying to be clever by combining the traffic light image on a give-way shaped sign.
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katie_lou_lou wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 21:04 What on earth... when did the motorway plough through the centre of Milton Keynes?!

On the roundabout at the top of the M1 sliproad you have this: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0579365 ... 384!8i8192

And then just to reinforce the point you get this: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0549487 ... 384!8i8192

All the others are blue too; how hard can it be?
Possibly trying to be Australia, where we use blue signs for shopping centres and other landmarks, but with capital letters, as at https://goo.gl/maps/oDqns8vqbbUtsn7t5
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