Botched Traffic Signals

[UKboy]

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3115669 ... 384!8i8192. The green light has completely been removed from this traffic light.

[traffic-light-man]

I'd say that's more of a fault than a botch, it certainly had an aspect there initially.

Those signals were bagged (or the ones for the main road were, anyway) until fairly recently with some incredibly tatty Wirral MBC marked bags. Someone's obviously been and retrieved the bags at some stage!

[ReissOmari]

This could potentially be confusing at first sight

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.4434147 ... 384!8i8192

[UKboy]

This could potentially be confusing at first sight

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.4434147 ... 384!8i8192

The drivers are probably like: "Which way do I go? Do I go forward towards the traffic signals, or do I turn left, but why the [bad word] is it like this?"

[vlad]

That made me think of here.

You can either go straight ahead onto the A6010 or straight ahead onto the A5145 - just not from the same lane.

[UKboy]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.30835 ... 312!8i6656

Ok this is actually pointless, why do you need traffic lights here, is this a botch?

[Chris Bertram]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.30835 ... 312!8i6656

Ok this is actually pointless, why do you need traffic lights here, is this a botch?

There's a risk that someone might stop for the red signal in error when using the filter lane, but you don't need a full three lamp head for it, an always-on green arrow would do the trick.

[UKboy]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.45150 ... 384!8i8192 Ok I do not know what happened to the green light. I count this a a small botch as a slightly blind person might not think it is working, so the light would need replacing.

[traffic-light-man]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.45150 ... 384!8i8192 Ok I do not know what happened to the green light. I count this a a small botch as a slightly blind person might not think it is working, so the light would need replacing.

For a recently refurbished site, that arrangement doesn't seem to do much in the way of assisting footway users!

[ReissOmari]

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

[traffic-light-man]

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

Well, they're not!

I'd say the direction signs are a bodge, but if they actually wanted to prohibit right turns, I'd expect more of an effort to be made at the junction itself with regards to banned turn signage.

[jervi]

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

In practice I wouldn't do I right turn, however by no means would it be illegal to do so. Also Whats with Lane 1 being segregated at lights and having a green surface?
Also don't see the need to ban u-turns here either https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5093231 ... 312!8i6656

[Big L]

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Also Whats with Lane 1 being segregated at lights and having a green surface?
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Used to be a bus lane.

[ReissOmari]

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

Well, they're not!

I'd say the direction signs are a bodge, but if they actually wanted to prohibit right turns, I'd expect more of an effort to be made at the junction itself with regards to banned turn signage.

That would make sense to be honest, I've just gone back to GSV because I realised the attached link was from a few years ago, the signal head was replaced recently and now has a full green ball, where as the 2nd head still has the green arrow!

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

In practice I wouldn't do I right turn, however by no means would it be illegal to do so. Also Whats with Lane 1 being segregated at lights and having a green surface?
Also don't see the need to ban u-turns here either https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5093231 ... 312!8i6656

It used to be a bus lane but was taken out of action around a decade ago! However, they never removed the bus lane traffic lights, just decided to time them along with the main lights, so you have lanes unexpectedly merging into each other along the road from the A38(M) Aston Expressway up to Kingsbury Road. This has to be the worst offender though!

[Chris Bertram]

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

Well, they're not!

I'd say the direction signs are a bodge, but if they actually wanted to prohibit right turns, I'd expect more of an effort to be made at the junction itself with regards to banned turn signage.

That would make sense to be honest, I've just gone back to GSV because I realised the attached link was from a few years ago, the signal head was replaced recently and now has a full green ball, where as the 2nd head still has the green arrow!

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

In practice I wouldn't do I right turn, however by no means would it be illegal to do so. Also Whats with Lane 1 being segregated at lights and having a green surface?
Also don't see the need to ban u-turns here either https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5093231 ... 312!8i6656

It used to be a bus lane but was taken out of action around a decade ago! However, they never removed the bus lane traffic lights, just decided to time them along with the main lights, so you have lanes unexpectedly merging into each other along the road from the A38(M) Aston Expressway up to Kingsbury Road. This has to be the worst offender though!

Correct, the A38 Tyburn Road/Kingsbury Road bus lane was decommissioned, though the road markings still remain in most places. However, if you're heading eastbound on Tyburn Road and continue straight ahead at the Norton junction (named after a defunct pub) onto Eachelhurst Road (rather than taking the right turn onto Kingsbury Road to continue on A38), the bus lane still applies. This has caught quite a few people out.

[traffic-light-man]

I could probably post the whole of Tyburn Road, Birmingham in this thread but this junction in particular may just take the crown. As you can see, all the traffic signals have ahead arrows (there are no mandatory blue arrows however) but right turns are permitted to turn right from Tyburn Road into Bromford Lane.

Even the arrows on the road only show ahead only, but moving further back to the junction direction sign, you can see it has the destinations for a right turn, what is going on!

In practice I wouldn't do I right turn, however by no means would it be illegal to do so...

Except by virtue of the green arrows, which prohibit a right turn or U-turn.

[Bfivethousand]

I think it's fair to call these, these and this a botch. The regeneration work in the centre of Cirencester took place in Autumn 2016, yet in the summer of 2018 there were no less than SIX signal head installations still in place at the Market Place junction. And may still be for all I know...?

It's Cirencester though. Maybe they're listed?

[ReissOmari]

Take a look at this one here! https://goo.gl/maps/NP9SgzQb8R8RLS7z6

The ahead arrow is always on, however, the placement is questionable! It has been changed now so the ahead arrow is at the bottom, but how did that pass through

And here is how it looks with both arrows on https://goo.gl/maps/j5JXAPj7pX7UM2x88

[Gareth]

I'm sure I remember seeing similar in Blackpool, back in the early 90s.

[sydneynick]

Possibly interesting is that NSW would implement this quite differently, using four heads. There would be a stack of 3 with red, amber and green right-turn arrows, and the fourth head would be to the left of the green right arrow and would always show a green ahead arrow.