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Found another manky sign in Portscatho Square. These No Motor Vehicle "Except for access" signs always seem rather pointless to me and this is so old that it may as well be completly ignored.

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This flag sign pointing to the M6 has seen better days.

Is it also botched, or was the use of Motorway font (and no brackets) correct when it was erected?
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scragend wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:35 This flag sign pointing to the M6 has seen better days.

Is it also botched, or was the use of Motorway font (and no brackets) correct when it was erected?
It's perfectly fine design wise, in fact that is a very good assembly! It's just not aged all that well...
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Saw this today in Stoke:

My favourite bit is the " o o way"!!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.00425 ... 312!8i6656
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Worcestershire Wolf wrote: Sat Jul 07, 2018 21:24 Saw this today in Stoke:

My favourite bit is the " o o way"!!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.00425 ... 312!8i6656
Can't believe that hasn't been replaced yet :shock:
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Couldn't photograph it for obvious reasons, but there is a very battered motorway restrictions sign that must date back to the seventies on the A167(M) southbound with some of the letters missing.
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M1 J26 please Notts CC can I think we need a new sign now
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How about these on the B440 just north of Hemel Hempstead.
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With all the money currently being spent on the M60, maybe they could afford to replace this. It's starting to stand out a bit.
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Here's a nice end of motorway on the A1 that was looking a bit faded last week:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.68301 ... 312!8i6656

There's also been a large scale replacement of signs on the Doncaster bypass - this was looking very tired but was replaced about a month ago: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.46280 ... 312!8i6656
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c2R wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2018 09:16 There's also been a large scale replacement of signs on the Doncaster bypass - this was looking very tired but was replaced about a month ago: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.46280 ... 312!8i6656
An early Diamond Grade sign, from the late '80s and designed by hand as I recall. No KeySIGN available in the office in those days, not even AUTOCAD - who says consultants are tight-fisted...
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Predates the mandatory use of destinations on a 1 mile ADS if that old.

When did DOS based SignPlot come out? I have drawings at home dated 1996 that were done in v1.
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Bryn666 wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2018 13:20 Predates the mandatory use of destinations on a 1 mile ADS if that old.

When did DOS based SignPlot come out? I have drawings at home dated 1996 that were done in v1.
Certainly designed by hand, I could easily be off on the date though, it was a long time ago. Not one of mine.
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I always wonder if hand designed signs are less likely to be full of screw ups on the basis that redesigns take ages so the incentive to be right first time is there.

Although even old signs weren't immune from being cack either.
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scragend wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2018 08:17 With all the money currently being spent on the M60, maybe they could afford to replace this. It's starting to stand out a bit.
Why is that chopsticks there? I thought all routes on Simister were Motorways.
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It’s very common to have chopsticks where you change between motorways, even if it’s not strictly correct.
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Johnathan404 wrote: Mon Jul 30, 2018 09:02 It’s very common to have chopsticks where you change between motorways, even if it’s not strictly correct.
The correct sign would just be the route number in a rectangle as it is effectively an RCS at this location but that never happens any more.

Also note that sign is an M62 one badly patched over. For about 18 months the entire M60 had signs like this whilst the changes were completed.
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Bryn666 wrote: Mon Jul 30, 2018 08:54 I always wonder if hand designed signs are less likely to be full of screw ups on the basis that redesigns take ages so the incentive to be right first time is there.

Although even old signs weren't immune from being cack either.
It helped if you knew what you were doing and had at least semi-reasonable draughting skills. Which, in these CAD days, is a skill long gone. Of course, Circular Roads 7/75, which I cut my teeth on, was also a much simpler document, which helped a bit.
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Conekicker wrote: Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:58
Bryn666 wrote: Mon Jul 30, 2018 08:54 I always wonder if hand designed signs are less likely to be full of screw ups on the basis that redesigns take ages so the incentive to be right first time is there.

Although even old signs weren't immune from being cack either.
It helped if you knew what you were doing and had at least semi-reasonable draughting skills. Which, in these CAD days, is a skill long gone. Of course, Circular Roads 7/75, which I cut my teeth on, was also a much simpler document, which helped a bit.
Indeed, and of course there's still no formal guidance on what an ADS should look like beyond the block spacing, etc. Which no-one gets right either.
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Bryn666 wrote: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:42Indeed, and of course there's still no formal guidance on what an ADS should look like beyond the block spacing, etc. Which no-one gets right either.
All will become clear, I'm led to believe, in the forthcoming TSM Chapter 7. Best not to mention Figure 6.1 from IAN 145 nor S12-5-7 and S12-28-3 from TSRGD though. The design rules for S12-28-5 and -6 could be a bit clearer as well. Just saying like...
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