Hidden speed cameras

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Re: Hidden speed cameras

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jnty wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 08:03
avtur wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 07:38
Chris Bertram wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 17:25 It is, but is recommended by the NPCC, and when the RAC asked round the police forces, not one that answered deviated from it (some refused to say, but it is highly likely that they use the same standard).
The thresholds were set to endure reliable conviction. The likes of Mr loophole are less likely to overturn offences that match or exceed the NPCC guidelines. When you get down to the lower margins of excess speed there are too many variables for guaranteed convection. The comparison with drink driving is (IMHO) incorrect. There is an absolute limit and the enforcement technology can be relied upon to produce indisputable evidence.
With drink driving they need a blood test on top of the breathalyser and even then it seems quite easy to argue in court that the consequences of your actions will make life difficult for you and so leniency should be shown. It does seem like road traffic law enforcement in this country is often largely for show...
With respect, I think you are mixing a few factors together here. 1) The roadside breathalyzer is screening test, to see if the next level of testing is appropriate, it is not used for prosecution/evidential purposes. 2) There are three types of calibrated and highly accurate "intoximeter" machines in use at police station around the UK, these are highly accurate machines and when used correctly the evidence they provide is beyond legal question. 3) Comment about leniency of enforcement is an entirely different matter, that results after a successful prosecution of the evidence when people claim mitigating circumstance not to lose their licence; that is nothing to do with the evidential process.
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Re: Hidden speed cameras

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Here in Russia, until 2013, the speeding tolerance was 10 km/h. Now it's 20 km/h, believe it or not!
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Re: Hidden speed cameras

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Fixed cameras apply the 10%+2 tolerance unless there's an overarching reason to look for particular vehicles passing them.

Mobile cameras and police patrols are different. Mobile cameras can note dangerous driving (including using the wrong side of the road and swinging the camera round to make sure they get caught via the front windscreen) and police patrols can issue an FPN if they think your driving is out of order and they think it's enough of a message to get a ticket for 34 in a 30 instead of prosecution for careless driving.
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Re: Hidden speed cameras

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AndyB wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 14:59 Fixed cameras apply the 10%+2 tolerance unless there's an overarching reason to look for particular vehicles passing them.

Mobile cameras and police patrols are different. Mobile cameras can note dangerous driving (including using the wrong side of the road and swinging the camera round to make sure they get caught via the front windscreen) and police patrols can issue an FPN if they think your driving is out of order and they think it's enough of a message to get a ticket for 34 in a 30 instead of prosecution for careless driving.
On motoring forums, despite many claims of speeding tickets for speeds below 35 in a 30, none have been substantiated.

Perhaps the French system of a published tolerance figure under a variety of situations may be more acceptable? The ticket for 81 in an 80 being correct for a recorded speed of 86
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Re: Hidden speed cameras

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Re; hidden speed cameras. This one at woodseaves in staffordshire hidden in plain sight... I am guessing a police commissioner or councillor lives in the village. https://youtu.be/LBft2zdn4lM
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The A519 through Woodseaves has a 30mph limit (down from 60mph NSL either side), enforced by average speed cameras. There's a camera just inside the 30mph section (in both directions) which I'm sure causes sharp braking by people who don't realise what "average" means.

It's the sort of place that makes you wonder exactly what happened that meant cameras were needed as from personal experience it's no worse than any of the rest of the A519.
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