Road signs in Ireland

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AndyB wrote:Surely 1956 at the earliest?
I did wonder about this, because of the diamond sign. The caption on Pinterest did say 1940s, but also incorrectly identified the location as a neighbouring road. Perhaps there were trial sites for diamond signs before they were adopted? The sign seems very new here.

The car seems an older design and there is a marked lack of traffic for 1956, this is Dublin 4 where car ownership was significant even in earlier years, but perhaps it was a Sunday morning. The car reg is illegible, can anyone identify the model?
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I suspect an Austin Eight. Best fit on my hunt so far, but will continue to look.

Certainly it has the bolt upright cabin and spotlight headlights of 1930s cars, this is a pre-WWII, or given it is Dublin pre-Emergency, car.
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exiled wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 14:58 I suspect an Austin Eight. Best fit on my hunt so far, but will continue to look.

Certainly it has the bolt upright cabin and spotlight headlights of 1930s cars, this is a pre-WWII, or given it is Dublin pre-Emergency, car.
The Austin 8 had a grille that was split down the middle, and the same width from top to bottom.

The car in the photo appears to have a grille that is narrower at the bottom than the top. It also has a thick chrome surround, like that found on a Rover. It isn't a P3 though ( :( ).

It looks more like a Morris 25, or similar.
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Yes, in both our suggestions there is something not quite there.
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Ford Model Y is also an option.
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exiled wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 16:13 Ford Model Y is also an option.
This one has a curved bumper and offset numberplate.

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AndyB wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:28
bothar wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 00:45 1940s crossroad sign, probably here.

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Surely 1956 at the earliest?
I agree that this can't be any earlier than the date of introduction of the Traffic Signs Regulations 1956 (S.I. No. 284/1956). (I was around in 1956 and pre-war cars were not at all uncommon, nor even horse-drawn vehicles.) Clearly very early days, though, with the "finial" from the old-style major-road ahead sign still in place.
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Viator wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 16:33 I agree that this can't be any earlier than the date of introduction of the Traffic Signs Regulations 1956 (S.I. No. 284/1956). (I was around in 1956 and pre-war cars were not at all uncommon, nor even horse-drawn vehicles.) Clearly very early days, though, with the "finial" from the old-style major-road ahead sign still in place.
If it were post 1956 I would have thought the priority would be a new Yield or Stop sign, not this sign.
Also, it would have been possible to experiment with advance warning signs, as these do not directly imply an action on the part of the motorist.
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The car (and certainly the grille) looks like a Wolseley to me.
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Isleworth1961 wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 17:08 The car (and certainly the grille) looks like a Wolseley to me.
I think you might be right.
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The grille looks right, as does the position of the headlamps. The 'gills' on the side of the engine bay and the door handles on the suicide doors also look right.
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bothar wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 16:38
Viator wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 16:33 I agree that this can't be any earlier than the date of introduction of the Traffic Signs Regulations 1956 (S.I. No. 284/1956). (I was around in 1956 and pre-war cars were not at all uncommon, nor even horse-drawn vehicles.) Clearly very early days, though, with the "finial" from the old-style major-road ahead sign still in place.
If it were post 1956 I would have thought the priority would be a new Yield or Stop sign, not this sign.
Also, it would have been possible to experiment with advance warning signs, as these do not directly imply an action on the part of the motorist.
You would think, but all it takes is for one council to say “right, we need to replace this ‘major road ahead’ sign. What’s the new version?” without connecting it to the need for a mandatory Stop or Yield sign.

Do we know what was used for Stop between 1957 and the octagonal sign?
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AndyB wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 14:44
bothar wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 16:38
Viator wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 16:33 I agree that this can't be any earlier than the date of introduction of the Traffic Signs Regulations 1956 (S.I. No. 284/1956). (I was around in 1956 and pre-war cars were not at all uncommon, nor even horse-drawn vehicles.) Clearly very early days, though, with the "finial" from the old-style major-road ahead sign still in place.
If it were post 1956 I would have thought the priority would be a new Yield or Stop sign, not this sign.
Also, it would have been possible to experiment with advance warning signs, as these do not directly imply an action on the part of the motorist.
You would think, but all it takes is for one council to say “right, we need to replace this ‘major road ahead’ sign. What’s the new version?” without connecting it to the need for a mandatory Stop or Yield sign.

Do we know what was used for Stop between 1957 and the octagonal sign?
The Octagon was introduced in the 1956 regs. I think this was discussed on Sabre before somewhere, there might have been a small revision to the diagram subsequently. All in all the 1956 changes were one of the better jobs done in the history of Irish roads.

Unfortunately, we don't know the age of the car in the photo, it could have been 20 years old, it is a pity there isn't another car there.

As a project for 2019, I might try and find out more. There was a report prior to these changes, I read this as a student 30 years ago, but now cannot even recall what it is called.
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Undated photo of this location, still one way in the same direction.

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While this one is 1955, now pedestrianised

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Road sign and traffic light here in 1952. Note the tram lines have been removed from the street, which is therefore pretty newly surfaced

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Nice colour pic of old style parking sign (already anachronistic) in Dublin in 1961 (on extreme left).
This is a recent view.
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bothar wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 22:38 Nice colour pic of old style parking sign (already anachronistic) in Dublin in 1961 (on extreme left).
This is a recent view.
I think your first link is broken...
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c2R wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 22:45
bothar wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 22:38 Nice colour pic of old style parking sign (already anachronistic) in Dublin in 1961 (on extreme left).
This is a recent view.
I think your first link is broken...
Oops, try it again.
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bothar wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 23:04
c2R wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 22:45
bothar wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 22:38 Nice colour pic of old style parking sign (already anachronistic) in Dublin in 1961 (on extreme left).
This is a recent view.
I think your first link is broken...
Oops, try it again.
Thank you - that's a great photo.
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Here's a few examples of old/interesting signs I spotted during my trip through Ireland recently.
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