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Re: Rare Roadsigns

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Rare roadsigns...

I can think of two near me. The first is a warning squirrels sign which I don't think is prescribed in the UK.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/njJ3wkQD8DXfUoPr7

The other two are not necessarily rare in the Channel Islands but very rare in the grand scheme of things. Filter in turn signs, which means that everyone has to take it in turns at the junction - can't unfortunately find a GSV image of the new-style Filter in turn sign, but here's the old-style filter sign in Beaumont on a roundabout:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/4HqnBtpvjFNaZMkY6

And here's a Google images link for what a filter in turn sign looks like nowadays. Basically an altered Give Way sign - probably the only example in the British Islands of a variant on a Give Way sign (excluding the Welsh translation of course).

https://images.app.goo.gl/vShdPWSgY1AWTqrF8

They also have 'Filter ahead' signs. Rather than the logical, which is a blank give way with a supplementary plate saying "FILTER X YARDS" in Jersey they use the old style filter in turn sign with a yards amount underneath and in Guernsey they use a warning sign with "FILTER AHEAD" inside it.
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In Jersey, there are also huge yellowbacked signs on the approach to every roundabout (both mini and normal) with a mini roundabout symbol, a give way sign and a plate with the words "TO TRAFFIC FROM RIGHT" - no clue why they're necessary, who doesn't know roundabout rules? Though some people don't (some people try and filter in turn at a mini roundabout) but then the massive yellow signs haven't helped much.

Another rare roadsign is x5 speed limit signs on public highways. In Jersey 15mph and in Guernsey 25 & 35 (though they seem to use repeater signs for all signage). Another odd one is the "Green Lane" / "Ruette Tranquille" which aren't found anywhere else (the Guernsey signs use Comic Sans as well, at least Jersey uses what I think is Helvetica :cry:).

One I'm not sure whether common in the UK is a concealed entrance sign. That is a standard warning sign with ! mark and a plate saying 'Concealed entrance' underneath.
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pjr10th wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 00:16In Jersey, there are also huge yellowbacked signs on the approach to every roundabout (both mini and normal) with a mini roundabout symbol, a give way sign and a plate with the words "TO TRAFFIC FROM RIGHT" - no clue why they're necessary, who doesn't know roundabout rules? Though some people don't (some people try and filter in turn at a mini roundabout) but then the massive yellow signs haven't helped much.
You've answered your own question!

Filter in turn is common in the Channel Islands so presumably there's a need to reinforce the "priority from the right" rule at normal roundabouts.

The Channel Islands also have a bit more French influence than mainland UK, and of course in France all roundabouts are bristling with "vous n'avez pas la priorité" signs.
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Chris5156 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 09:11
pjr10th wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 00:16In Jersey, there are also huge yellowbacked signs on the approach to every roundabout (both mini and normal) with a mini roundabout symbol, a give way sign and a plate with the words "TO TRAFFIC FROM RIGHT" - no clue why they're necessary, who doesn't know roundabout rules? Though some people don't (some people try and filter in turn at a mini roundabout) but then the massive yellow signs haven't helped much.
You've answered your own question!

Filter in turn is common in the Channel Islands so presumably there's a need to reinforce the "priority from the right" rule at normal roundabouts.

The Channel Islands also have a bit more French influence than mainland UK, and of course in France all roundabouts are bristling with "vous n'avez pas la priorité" signs.
More my point is that they've installed the signs and it hasn't changed the behaviour of the minority who seem to get confused. Roundabouts are a lot more common than filter in turns in Jersey at least - there's only one that resembles a roundabout. Also, the pedantic traffic signs nerd inside me gets very annoyed at the fact that the mini roundabout sign is used on full-size roundabouts.
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How about a time-restricted no left turn?
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the cheesecake man wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 13:30 How about a time-restricted no left turn?
I see your time-restricted left turn prohibition and raise you a time-restricted, vehicle-specific left turn prohibition! :lol:
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It was mentioned above that the No Overtaking prohibition sign is rare in the UK, presumably because the same information is conveyed by solid white lines.

The circular No Overtaking sign is much commoner in Sweden, and its use perplexes me. I can understand it being used to reinforce the message of a solid white line in places where experience shows that drivers ignore the SWL. But by far the commonest usage here is to prohibit overtaking on roads marked with a broken white line. Is there any reason why the sign is preferable to using SWLs that I'm not grasping? Or is it just Swedish road signage being suboptimal (hardly news)?
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FosseWay wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 09:29 It was mentioned above that the No Overtaking prohibition sign is rare in the UK, presumably because the same information is conveyed by solid white lines....
They mean subtly different things.
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Big L wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 09:52
FosseWay wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 09:29 It was mentioned above that the No Overtaking prohibition sign is rare in the UK, presumably because the same information is conveyed by solid white lines....
They mean subtly different things.
They do, but the obvious difference (no overtaking vs. do not cross a solid line, regardless of your reason for doing so) is catered for - here, at least - by having gaps in the solid lines where people are permitted to turn left (right in the UK) into adjoining premises.

One other potential difference (given the nature of the icons used on the sign) is that the roundel means "no overtaking of motor vehicles" - i.e. it permits overtaking of cyclists without the maximum speed exception applied to solid lines. But I can't find anything to suggest that such an exception is granted by the sign.

It still strikes me that a single sign is not as good a way of displaying the restriction as a continuous reminder of it in the form of a solid line. If a driver happens not to notice the sign, they're none the wiser. Yes, they should notice it, but the important thing is to prevent dangerous overtakes, not indulge in an exercise to test how attentive drivers are.
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FosseWay wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 09:24
the cheesecake man wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 13:30 How about a time-restricted no left turn?
I see your time-restricted left turn prohibition and raise you a time-restricted, vehicle-specific left turn prohibition! :lol:
There used to be something similar near the Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield, a no right turn except ambulances. You can see where the now patched over supplementary plate is here:

https://www.google.se/maps/@53.3788164, ... 8192?hl=sv
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Conekicker wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:17
FosseWay wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 09:24
the cheesecake man wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 13:30 How about a time-restricted no left turn?
I see your time-restricted left turn prohibition and raise you a time-restricted, vehicle-specific left turn prohibition! :lol:
There used to be something similar near the Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield, a no right turn except ambulances. You can see where the now patched over supplementary plate is here:

https://www.google.se/maps/@53.3788164, ... 8192?hl=sv
I'd never noticed that, even though it's only a few hundred metres from my parents' house.
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Conekicker wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:17 There used to be something similar near the Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield, a no right turn except ambulances. You can see where the now patched over supplementary plate is here:

https://www.google.se/maps/@53.3788164, ... 8192?hl=sv
I remember it well. There was of course a good reason for the exemption. It was removed when the accident & emergency department closed.
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the cheesecake man wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 19:16
Conekicker wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:17 There used to be something similar near the Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield, a no right turn except ambulances. You can see where the now patched over supplementary plate is here:

https://www.google.se/maps/@53.3788164, ... 8192?hl=sv
I remember it well. There was of course a good reason for the exemption. It was removed when the accident & emergency department closed.
And drivers of other vehicles never ever ever ever ignored it on their way to the hospital car park. :roll:
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Not entirely sure this is the best way to sign this...
https://goo.gl/maps/GP1dgqSFUukkVevh8

Also, slightly confusing signage on the other side of the junction:
https://goo.gl/maps/K58i3h2TeGe94CVi6

I'm guessing something has nicked/something has hit the other "No Entry"...

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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.05022 ... 312!8i6656

This one is pretty rare, upon first sight I thought it wasn't prescribed until I checked.
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jervi wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 19:52 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.05022 ... 312!8i6656

This one is pretty rare, upon first sight I thought it wasn't prescribed until I checked.
Not a pleasant right turn to make (as the 4x4 + trailer are making on GSV) as I recall from my one visit to the Old Dog. Don't worry, only lemonade in my case - very expensive lemonade at that :cry: .
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here's one I have never seen before: well I can't remember where it was.
Just found the location: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.38261 ... 92!5m1!1e1
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here's a combination I have never seen before: https://www.google.com/maps/@55.0685613 ... 312!8i6656
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OliverH wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:44 here's a combination I have never seen before: https://www.google.com/maps/@55.0685613 ... 312!8i6656
I've seen it on temporary signs, such as going the wrong way round the roundabout in roadworks, but never permanently.
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the cheesecake man wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 13:47
OliverH wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:44 here's a combination I have never seen before: https://www.google.com/maps/@55.0685613 ... 312!8i6656
I've seen it on temporary signs, such as going the wrong way round the roundabout in roadworks, but never permanently.
It was here for many years: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7556441 ... 312!8i6656
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