Updated Traffic Signs Manual

[AndyB]

A wee typo on page 59

[Conekicker]

A wee typo on page 59

X, Y and Z? Take your pick, any one will do?!

[RichardA35]

Chapter 8 Part 3 issued which "provides information on changes to the methods used to prescribe traffic signs in the 2016 Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions. In most cases, the same signs will be used in the same situations as shown in Parts 1 and 2 (2009). This part provides a reference on where the requirements for individual signs in the TSRGD and design information can be found. This part introduces new options for lane control ‘wicket’ signs and guidance on how these new options should be applied to different types of schemes. While this part does not replace the design of temporary traffic management arrangements it does provide updates on relaxation schemes and on selecting safe methods of installing signs and other equipment."

Noted Para U2.19.2.
"It is not acceptable to implement a carriageway closure on the sole basis of convenience for the contractor."

[Chris56000]

Hi!

So far with the new 177 page Chapter 8 Part 3 Update, I make the complete work currently 1759 pages, including front and back covers!

Will Chapter 2 and new Chapter 8 parts 1 & 2 take the complete work to over 2000 pages?

Chris Williams

PS!

I will be printing the Full Manual once Chapter 2 and the remaining Chapter 8 Parts 1 & 2 Updates see the light of day – I've just stocked up on new toners!

[Conekicker]

The revised Parts 1 and 2 will include most of part 3, so if anything, the overall page count should go down slightly.

Chapter 2? You're funny. No one can hold their breath that long.

[Bryn666]

The revised Parts 1 and 2 will include most of part 3, so if anything, the overall page count should go down slightly.

Chapter 2? You're funny. No one can hold their breath that long.

Chapter 2 is by and large dead in its original form as Chs 1 and 7 cover the bulk of it, and IANs/DMRB cover the trunk road particulars. Perhaps we should re-allocate it for something else like cycle facility design or something.

[Conekicker]

The revised Parts 1 and 2 will include most of part 3, so if anything, the overall page count should go down slightly.

Chapter 2? You're funny. No one can hold their breath that long.

Chapter 2 is by and large dead in its original form as Chs 1 and 7 cover the bulk of it, and IANs/DMRB cover the trunk road particulars. Perhaps we should re-allocate it for something else like cycle facility design or something.

I dunno, with IANs 144 and 145 now sadly withdrawn and IAN 146 never having been released, there's a hole in guidance as to how to apply directional signing. Just look at the ham-fisted, kack-handed attempts of some consultants to design directional signing schemes .

Those 3 IANs would be a very good starting place were DfT to ever get around to cobbling a Chapter 2 together - and they could even stick some cycle route stuff in as well for the hell of it?

[Bryn666]

The revised Parts 1 and 2 will include most of part 3, so if anything, the overall page count should go down slightly.

Chapter 2? You're funny. No one can hold their breath that long.

Chapter 2 is by and large dead in its original form as Chs 1 and 7 cover the bulk of it, and IANs/DMRB cover the trunk road particulars. Perhaps we should re-allocate it for something else like cycle facility design or something.

I dunno, with IANs 144 and 145 now sadly withdrawn and IAN 146 never having been released, there's a hole in guidance as to how to apply directional signing. Just look at the ham-fisted, kack-handed attempts of some consultants to design directional signing schemes .

Those 3 IANs would be a very good starting place were DfT to ever get around to cobbling a Chapter 2 together - and they could even stick some cycle route stuff in as well for the hell of it?

Who do we have to go all Malcolm Tucker on to achieve this?

[Bomag]

The revised Parts 1 and 2 will include most of part 3, so if anything, the overall page count should go down slightly.

Chapter 2? You're funny. No one can hold their breath that long.

Chapter 2 is by and large dead in its original form as Chs 1 and 7 cover the bulk of it, and IANs/DMRB cover the trunk road particulars. Perhaps we should re-allocate it for something else like cycle facility design or something.

I dunno, with IANs 144 and 145 now sadly withdrawn and IAN 146 never having been released, there's a hole in guidance as to how to apply directional signing. Just look at the ham-fisted, kack-handed attempts of some consultants to design directional signing schemes .

Those 3 IANs would be a very good starting place were DfT to ever get around to cobbling a Chapter 2 together - and they could even stick some cycle route stuff in as well for the hell of it?

What you want is somebody with the word template for TSM and the artwork from the IANs. Second thought the art work was from the same poeple who did the artwork for Chapter 8 Part 3 2016 so perhaps not.

[darkcape]

Noted Para U2.19.2.
"It is not acceptable to implement a carriageway closure on the sole basis of convenience for the contractor."

But the convenience of the client on the other hand...

[Conekicker]

What you want is somebody with the word template for TSM and the artwork from the IANs. Second thought the art work was from the same poeple who did the artwork for Chapter 8 Part 3 2016 so perhaps not.

Those nice people at Buchanan's to the artwork rescue again?

The IAN's are an excellent starting point IMHO. Decide what is missing for local roads, cycle routes, etc., redo/add extra illustrations/examples, job done? Something that could be accomplished inside of a year or so? Now that TSRGD, the rest of the TSM and Brexit are out of the way, coupled with far fewer sign authorisations landing on their desks, might DfT have some capacity to tackle this? They're up to speed with TSM rewriting, so strike now whilst the iron is still hot on Chapter 2 and finish the whole Manual off? Preferably before the level of knowledge in the industry sinks to an even lower level than it already has dropped to and we get even worse signing schemes out on the road than are already occurring...

[Bryn666]

What you want is somebody with the word template for TSM and the artwork from the IANs. Second thought the art work was from the same poeple who did the artwork for Chapter 8 Part 3 2016 so perhaps not.

Those nice people at Buchanan's to the artwork rescue again?

The IAN's are an excellent starting point IMHO. Decide what is missing for local roads, cycle routes, etc., redo/add extra illustrations/examples, job done? Something that could be accomplished inside of a year or so? Now that TSRGD, the rest of the TSM and Brexit are out of the way, coupled with far fewer sign authorisations landing on their desks, might DfT have some capacity to tackle this? They're up to speed with TSM rewriting, so strike now whilst the iron is still hot on Chapter 2 and finish the whole Manual off? Preferably before the level of knowledge in the industry sinks to an even lower level than it already has dropped to and we get even worse signing schemes out on the road than are already occurring...

Maybe ask consultancies that aren't complacent as well... not that I'd be at all pimping my place out.

[Bomag]

What you want is somebody with the word template for TSM and the artwork from the IANs. Second thought the art work was from the same poeple who did the artwork for Chapter 8 Part 3 2016 so perhaps not.

Those nice people at Buchanan's to the artwork rescue again?

The IAN's are an excellent starting point IMHO. Decide what is missing for local roads, cycle routes, etc., redo/add extra illustrations/examples, job done? Something that could be accomplished inside of a year or so? Now that TSRGD, the rest of the TSM and Brexit are out of the way, coupled with far fewer sign authorisations landing on their desks, might DfT have some capacity to tackle this? They're up to speed with TSM rewriting, so strike now whilst the iron is still hot on Chapter 2 and finish the whole Manual off? Preferably before the level of knowledge in the industry sinks to an even lower level than it already has dropped to and we get even worse signing schemes out on the road than are already occurring...

The most important decision though is what the cover colour should be and then if there is a need for more than one part what the text colour should be - see Chapter 8 for the colour coded text.

Second decision is if in parts what should they be 1. General (IAN 146), 2. Rural DCs (144) 3.Rural Classified S2 (145) 4. Rural Non-classified S2 and S1. 5. Urban.

[Conekicker]

What you want is somebody with the word template for TSM and the artwork from the IANs. Second thought the art work was from the same poeple who did the artwork for Chapter 8 Part 3 2016 so perhaps not.

Those nice people at Buchanan's to the artwork rescue again?

The IAN's are an excellent starting point IMHO. Decide what is missing for local roads, cycle routes, etc., redo/add extra illustrations/examples, job done? Something that could be accomplished inside of a year or so? Now that TSRGD, the rest of the TSM and Brexit are out of the way, coupled with far fewer sign authorisations landing on their desks, might DfT have some capacity to tackle this? They're up to speed with TSM rewriting, so strike now whilst the iron is still hot on Chapter 2 and finish the whole Manual off? Preferably before the level of knowledge in the industry sinks to an even lower level than it already has dropped to and we get even worse signing schemes out on the road than are already occurring...

The most important decision though is what the cover colour should be and then if there is a need for more than one part what the text colour should be - see Chapter 8 for the colour coded text.

Second decision is if in parts what should they be 1. General (IAN 146), 2. Rural DCs (144) 3.Rural Classified S2 (145) 4. Rural Non-classified S2 and S1. 5. Urban.

There you go, it's half written already