Unkown Sign 1395m?

[Bfivethousand]

It looks like it's something to do with an ineptly implemented u-turn prohibition

[Johnathan404]

It looks like it's something to do with an ineptly implemented u-turn prohibition

Nice thought but the u-turn sign has been there longer than the countdown sign. We have, however, found another one!

[Bfivethousand]

I'm pretty sure that this can be the only explanation. Travel beyond the 116m sign and you'll find a no U-turn / end combo at the roundabout - without taking a measurement I would say 116 metres looks about right for the distance between the two.

Next, spin around 180 and you'll find a couple of no U-turn / 1 mile combos.

I would happily wager that the 1395m and 1259m plates are, supposedly, complementary distance plates for non-existant no U-turn repeater signs signifying the distance to the end of the mile-long prohibition of u-turning along that stretch of the A316.

Obviously the distances should be imperial. And the plates should be accompanied by no U-turn roundels. And the plates should each include the word "For". Apart from that, a job well done

[Pendlemac]

I'm pretty sure that this can be the only explanation. Travel beyond the 116m sign and you'll find a no U-turn / end combo at the roundabout - without taking a measurement I would say 116 metres looks about right for the distance between the two.

Agree that seems to be the obvious explanation.

The distances from the first two signs get you to the juction that is the S4 / D2 transition point and the central barrier means the U-turn ban is no longer required after that.

[DEFarnes]

It looks like it's something to do with an ineptly implemented u-turn prohibition

Who put up that sign and thought, you know, that is perfectly visible? Or if the other sign was put up before it, I know, let's move the other sign so it is visible!

[DEFarnes]

Hello, here are the two FOI requests, wasn't sure if the Borough Council or TfL were responsible* for this so I sent one to both.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ing-890218

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ing-890216

*Yes I know I am a NOOB for not knowing this and should be publicly humiliated on the forum.

[Arcuarius]

It looks like it's something to do with an ineptly implemented u-turn prohibition

"No U-turns for 116 miles" ?!

[DEFarnes]

Hello, here are the two FOI requests, wasn't sure if the Borough Council or TfL were responsible* for this so I sent one to both.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ing-890218

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ing-890216

*Yes I know I am a NOOB for not knowing this and should be publicly humiliated on the forum.

Latest: it's a TFL sign.

[DEFarnes]

So the FOI request is back.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ad_sign_on


It looks like no one checked the signs when they were put up so the should be coming down by Autumn 2019. But by TfL standards that is December 2022.

[Conekicker]

"It is standard practice for our road signs to be reflected in miles and yards and the quotation of any distances on signage in metres is therefore incorrect."

Nice weasel words TfL. It isn't "standard practice", it's a legal requirement. "Incorrect" should read "unlawful". But they're never going to put that in writing, now are they?

[Euan]

So the FOI request is back.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ad_sign_on


It looks like no one checked the signs when they were put up so the should be coming down by Autumn 2019. But by TfL standards that is December 2022.

Hopefully it would not take as long as that to remove the sign, and ideally whenever the 1395m sign is removed so will the 1259m sign. I have to say they are rather strange distances to describe on a sign even if we actually did use metric.

[Chris56000]

Hi!

These distances quoted in metres aren't a sensible or lawful distance either – TFL might as well remove both of these signs and place a "No U–Turns" prohibition with a "For ¾ mile" plate two lamp–posts after the post the second sign came from, and the same, but plated "For 1 mile" two lamp–posts back from the first one!

TSRGD and the TSM are both well aware that distances can't be accurately specified in dense built–up areas, this is why distances are specified "to the nearest ¼ mile" for distances of 3 miles or less! These documents also allow very short distances to be quoted to the nearest 50 yards, but I'm fairly sure that's only up to ¼ mile (440 yards) or less!

Chris Williams

[Conekicker]

Hi!

These distances quoted in metres aren't a sensible or lawful distance either – TFL might as well remove both of these signs and place a "No U–Turns" prohibition with a "For ¾ mile" plate two lamp–posts after the post the second sign came from, and the same, but plated "For 1 mile" two lamp–posts back from the first one!

TSRGD and the TSM are both well aware that distances can't be accurately specified in dense built–up areas, this is why distances are specified "to the nearest ¼ mile" for distances of 3 miles or less! These documents also allow very short distances to be quoted to the nearest 50 yards, but I'm fairly sure that's only up to ¼ mile (440 yards) or less!

Chris Williams

TSRGD Schedule 18:

A distance of less than ½ mile must be expressed—
(a) to the nearest ¼ mile with the fractions ½ and ¼ being used; or
(b) in yards, to the nearest 10 yards

[DEFarnes]

So the FOI request is back.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ad_sign_on


It looks like no one checked the signs when they were put up so the should be coming down by Autumn 2019. But by TfL standards that is December 2022.

It and all of the other inefficient signs are still there as of Today (January 2020).

[Skermington]

2024* update
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Still there!


* Streetview imagery from September 2022, but based on an observation on 3/2/24, you have my assurance that they still are!

[Conekicker]

Hello all, I tried searching the forums first but no avail.

Any idea of the sign saying 1395m on The Avenue section of the A316 in Twickenham? I think it is a distance marker, but where from and why in metres? I don't know what is 1395 miles away!

https://goo.gl/maps/2pB8TV5xZtp

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1u11Z84VY8LrPbxb9

Hi, I saw your post about the sign saying 1395m on the A316 in Twickenham. I did some research and found out that it is a banned U-turn restriction sign, indicating the length of the ban for eastbound traffic. It is 1395m from the start of the restriction near Hospital Bridge Road to the end near Twickenham Bridge. The sign is in metres because it was installed in 2016, when TfL adopted the metric system for new signs. I hope this answers your question. Cheers!

One muses how many more utterly unlawful things TfL might have done.

One would have thought a public body couldn't be that completely clueless to the point of pig-ignorance.

Perhaps someone should have a word in their shell-like, if what kawaki says is actually true.

Just saying like...

[Chris5156]

Hello all, I tried searching the forums first but no avail.

Any idea of the sign saying 1395m on The Avenue section of the A316 in Twickenham? I think it is a distance marker, but where from and why in metres? I don't know what is 1395 miles away!

https://goo.gl/maps/2pB8TV5xZtp

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1u11Z84VY8LrPbxb9

Hi, I saw your post about the sign saying 1395m on the A316 in Twickenham. I did some research and found out that it is a banned U-turn restriction sign, indicating the length of the ban for eastbound traffic. It is 1395m from the start of the restriction near Hospital Bridge Road to the end near Twickenham Bridge. The sign is in metres because it was installed in 2016, when TfL adopted the metric system for new signs. I hope this answers your question. Cheers!

One muses how many more utterly unlawful things TfL might have done.

One would have thought a public body couldn't be that completely clueless to the point of pig-ignorance.

Perhaps someone should have a word in their shell-like, if what kawaki says is actually true.

Just saying like...

FWIW I don’t think it is true, and I’d be interested to see a source for the claim. All the ULEZ signage installed in the last couple of years, for example, expresses distances to the restriction in either yards or miles.

[Conekicker]

Hi, I saw your post about the sign saying 1395m on the A316 in Twickenham. I did some research and found out that it is a banned U-turn restriction sign, indicating the length of the ban for eastbound traffic. It is 1395m from the start of the restriction near Hospital Bridge Road to the end near Twickenham Bridge. The sign is in metres because it was installed in 2016, when TfL adopted the metric system for new signs. I hope this answers your question. Cheers!

One muses how many more utterly unlawful things TfL might have done.

One would have thought a public body couldn't be that completely clueless to the point of pig-ignorance.

Perhaps someone should have a word in their shell-like, if what kawaki says is actually true.

Just saying like...

FWIW I don’t think it is true, and I’d be interested to see a source for the claim. All the ULEZ signage installed in the last couple of years, for example, expresses distances to the restriction in either yards or miles.

Apologies, a case of a sarcastic post not coming across online

[Chris5156]

Apologies, a case of a sarcastic post not coming across online

D’oh!