I have noticed this on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.30302 ... 312!8i6656
There IS another End of Clearway sign further on, but surely only the first one is required...
Because there is a gap between the first (and probably legally enforcable) End of Clearway sign and the Start of Motorway sign, does this mean that you could LEGALLY park HERE
A303 is a Road wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 16:18
I have noticed this on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.30302 ... 312!8i6656
There IS another End of Clearway sign further on, but surely only the first one is required...
Because there is a gap between the first (and probably legally enforcable) End of Clearway sign and the Start of Motorway sign, does this mean that you could LEGALLY park HERE
Depends what the TROs say. There will be one for the motorway and one for the clearway. If they were made at the same time, they should match up. If they weren't it might be there is a short section where you could legally park. I suspect you'd only find out when you got to court though...
Patience is not a virtue - it's a concept invented by the dozy beggars who are unable to think quickly enough.
It's a similar situation in quite a lot of places, especially at the start/end of motorways regs. As far as I am aware, as long as you are not blocking traffic or causing a visibility issue it is okay to park.
Like here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.15950 ... 312!8i6656 but on the other side of the roundabout the clearway starts again. Also it looks like during smartification works there was no end of motorway regs signs here.
But in reality who is ever going to park there. I think that on clearways, you are allowed to stop and park on the verge (as long as you don't affect visibility) as by default clearways only apply to the marked carriageway, not laybys and verges.
A303 is a Road wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 16:18
I have noticed this on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.30302 ... 312!8i6656
There IS another End of Clearway sign further on, but surely only the first one is required...
Because there is a gap between the first (and probably legally enforcable) End of Clearway sign and the Start of Motorway sign, does this mean that you could LEGALLY park HERE
Depends what the TROs say. There will be one for the motorway and one for the clearway. If they were made at the same time, they should match up. If they weren't it might be there is a short section where you could legally park. I suspect you'd only find out when you got to court though...
Surely you don't need a Clearway End sign in such scenarios as the Start of Motorway sign cancels all previous restrictions in force anyway... Classic example of clutter this?
Also WTF is the exit sign written in Motorway for?
Bryn Terminally cynical, unimpressed, and nearly Middle Age already. She said life was like a motorway; dull, grey, and long.
The oddest example of this I know of is this on the A40 on the England/Wales border. Just the signs themselves show what a farce lack of joined up planning can result in.
DavidBrown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:50
The oddest example of this I know of is this on the A40 on the England/Wales border. Just the signs themselves show what a farce lack of joined up planning can result in.
The signs on the Welsh side are also English-only, not that Monmouthshire council will be too bothered by that. On the other carriageway, I can see the signs marking the start of the restriction on the English side, but *no* "End/Diwedd" signs on the Welsh side. Are they much further back than would be expected? I've driven that road often enough, but I really can't remember noticing either way.
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Regardless of what the restrictions on stopping and waiting are there are always the overriding offences of leaving a vehicle in a dangerous postion and causing an unnecessary obstruction.
This is another odd example. Heading south on the A470 through the village of Libanus, the clearway ends when you passed most of the village and then they start again just around the corner ahead in the link below after the NSL signs. https://goo.gl/maps/2AeXfqz1v3D9dDjWA
A303 is a Road wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 16:18
I have noticed this on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.30302 ... 312!8i6656
There IS another End of Clearway sign further on, but surely only the first one is required...
Because there is a gap between the first (and probably legally enforcable) End of Clearway sign and the Start of Motorway sign, does this mean that you could LEGALLY park HERE
Depends what the TROs say. There will be one for the motorway and one for the clearway. If they were made at the same time, they should match up. If they weren't it might be there is a short section where you could legally park. I suspect you'd only find out when you got to court though...
Surely you don't need a Clearway End sign in such scenarios as the Start of Motorway sign cancels all previous restrictions in force anyway... Classic example of clutter this?
Also WTF is the exit sign written in Motorway for?
It hardly matters what font the exit sign is in, given that it's obscured by the vegetation...
Patience is not a virtue - it's a concept invented by the dozy beggars who are unable to think quickly enough.
The TROs don't matter in this case - they are only enforceable within the bounds of the signs provided.
For that reason, although on paper the M2 almost certainly starts at the gore, because the signs are along the mainline and at a distance from the Clearway End sign, the ban on stopping wouldn't be enforceable between the first End sign and the chopsticks.
A303 is a Road wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 16:18
I have noticed this on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.30302 ... 312!8i6656
There IS another End of Clearway sign further on, but surely only the first one is required...
Because there is a gap between the first (and probably legally enforcable) End of Clearway sign and the Start of Motorway sign, does this mean that you could LEGALLY park HERE
Depends what the TROs say. There will be one for the motorway and one for the clearway. If they were made at the same time, they should match up. If they weren't it might be there is a short section where you could legally park. I suspect you'd only find out when you got to court though...
I have a sneaky feeling that if they were going to take you to court and you let then know what yur defence would be, they woudl drop the case and remedy the situation.
Different highway authorities again. The 20 is the last bit of Tower Hamlets, the 40 is the start of TfL.
It's even better than that. The shape of the 20 marking doesn't match that shown in TSRGD and therefore the marking is unlawful. Unless there's a vertical 20 sign, (correctly designed of course), one might claim one thought the limit was 30 - built-up lit area and all that malarkey. M'lud.
Edit: Indeed, goodness only knows what the speed limit is:
That's absolutely ridiculous. The chances are that all of those 20 road markings are unlawful, regardless of whether they meet the exact requirements of Diagram 1065 and Schedule 17:
1. Coming onto the roundabout from Lower Lea Crossing, an upright sign is needed to go with the start of the 20 (Direction 5) and the speed limit on the upright sign is... 30.
2. In the other direction, the legal speed limit is quite probably 40 from the start of the road (ie the outside edge of the circulation of the roundabout), but speed limit signs are always set back a short distance so they can be read more conveniently, so the limit isn't even 20.
My thoughts are why don't they put the end signs at the bottom of the sliproad, staying on the mainline the motorway regulations surely just continue the restriction?
For whatever reason, they cancel Clearway restrictions explicitly when a road becomes a motorway, which I agree seems pretty pointless, but they (together with the start of the restriction on the other carriageway) should be co-sited with the chopsticks, and at the end of the sliproads where they meet the B5061. If that's not what the TRO says, the TRO would seem pretty daft...
In these crazy situations would the solid white lines at the edge of the road indicate it's still a clearway? Lawyers could make that into a profitable argument if somebody was taken to court for stopping in the alleged gap.
the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 13:41
In these crazy situations would the solid white lines at the edge of the road indicate it's still a clearway? Lawyers could make that into a profitable argument if somebody was taken to court for stopping in the alleged gap.
Single solid white line along the edge of the carriageway is simply an edge line, no more
the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 13:41
In these crazy situations would the solid white lines at the edge of the road indicate it's still a clearway? Lawyers could make that into a profitable argument if somebody was taken to court for stopping in the alleged gap.
Single solid white line along the edge of the carriageway is simply an edge line, no more
Oh yes a quick check of The Highway Code does indeed find no such rule. Edge lines are associated either with a signed clearway or double white centre lines but they are not definitive as I had always assumed they were. I learn something new here regularly!
Oh yes a quick check of The Highway Code does indeed find no such rule. Edge lines are associated either with a signed clearway or double white centre lines but they are not definitive as I had always assumed they were. I learn something new here regularly!
