Non speed traffic signs UK

[shanklyone]

Hello forum,
Can anybody think of any examples of traffic signs in the UK that indicate a speed restriction is in place but a speed is not mentioned? For example I can think of the start of motorway sign and the national speed limit sign. Are there others in the UK?
Thanks

[Vierwielen]

Are you thinkng of the town entry signs on the Continent such as this one (upper sign) where, in France, the town's name within a red border signifies a 50 km/h speed limit zone.

Although lamp posts are not normnally regarded as road signs, their presence does indicate a 30 mph speed limit.

[M5Lenzar]

Does the end of motorway sign carry the same legal weight as the chopsticks?

[RichardA35]

How about

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[someone]

Does the end of motorway sign carry the same legal weight as the chopsticks?

A road being a dual carriageway or not indicates a different national speed limit. So the start and end of dual carriageway signs do not apply the change, they are just additional information and clarity.

However the start and end of motorway signs do apply a change because the motorway speed limit for coaches up to 12 metres, motorhomes over 3.05 tonnes m.g.w., and goods vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes m.g.w. is 10 mph higher than on other dual carriageways.

A "Welcome to Scotland" and "Welcome to England" (on the Scottish border) also carries a speed limit change, as the maximum speed limit outside of a built-up area is 10 mph higher for goods vehicles over 7.5 tonnes m.g.w. in England and Wales.

[Bryn666]

Does the end of motorway sign carry the same legal weight as the chopsticks?

It merely tells you that the restrictions applicable under the relevant section of the Road Traffic Regulation Act are no longer in force.

[Big L]

Streetlights.

[Nwallace]

Does the end of motorway sign carry the same legal weight as the chopsticks?

It merely tells you that the restrictions applicable under the relevant section of the Road Traffic Regulation Act are no longer in force.

But it does indicate a speed limit change for some classes of vehicle.

[RichardA35]

A road being a dual carriageway or not indicates a different national speed limit. So the start and end of dual carriageway signs do not apply the change, they are just additional information and clarity.

..which precisely answers the OP's question "signs that indicate a speed restriction is in place" as they indicate the start of a dual carriageway and hence the change in the NSL.

[Arcuarius]

Does streetlighting count as signage? Probably not, but the presence of it means 30mph unless signed otherwise.

[Chris Bertram]

Does streetlighting count as signage? Probably not, but the presence of it means 30mph unless signed otherwise.

To be precise, it has to be a "system of streetlighting" with posts no further apart than a certain distance. The odd streetlight in the middle of nowhere doesn't hack it.

[Arcuarius]

Does streetlighting count as signage? Probably not, but the presence of it means 30mph unless signed otherwise.

To be precise, it has to be a "system of streetlighting" with posts no further apart than a certain distance. The odd streetlight in the middle of nowhere doesn't hack it.

Well, yes, I was keeping it simple...

[AutomaticBeloved]

One question, if there are streetlights and NSL repeaters does that mean 30 or 60? There are a few like that around here and while I treat them as 60 I do wonder what is meant there?

[Chris5156]

One question, if there are streetlights and NSL repeaters does that mean 30 or 60? There are a few like that around here and while I treat them as 60 I do wonder what is meant there?

On a single-carriageway road, NSL is 60. NSL never refers to a 30mph limit.

[Chris Bertram]

One question, if there are streetlights and NSL repeaters does that mean 30 or 60? There are a few like that around here and while I treat them as 60 I do wonder what is meant there?

Aree with Chris5156. The NSL repeater reinforces that a 30mph limit *does not* apply here, just as a 20, 40, 50 or 60 repeater would.

[FosseWay]

A road being a dual carriageway or not indicates a different national speed limit. So the start and end of dual carriageway signs do not apply the change, they are just additional information and clarity.

..which precisely answers the OP's question "signs that indicate a speed restriction is in place" as they indicate the start of a dual carriageway and hence the change in the NSL.

I'd go with someone's interpretation here. Whether or not a road is DC is defined by the physical characteristics of the road, not the signage. In other words, if there is no DC-related signage at all on a DC, it doesn't affect the road's status as a DC or its speed limits.

Moreover, all the DC-related signs that I can think of bar one (I'll come to this) don't tell you what the road *is* but give you advance warning of what is *going to* happen. You get signs saying DC will start in a while, but that obviously doesn't affect the speed limit where you are when you read that. You get signs that DC will last for X miles, but that doesn't alter the speed you're already allowed to do when you read that. And you get the bottomless bottle sign warning of the end of a DC, but it tells you that the speed limit will change soon, but not right now.

The one exception is the blue Dual Carriageway sign with a one-way arrow used on the central reservation to inform people entering the road from a non-DC side road. The regulations implicit in that sign apply from when the motorist passes the sign, just as a speed limit roundel does. But I'd argue that the overwhelmingly important purpose of this sign is to make it clear that a road is a DC in circumstances where it may not otherwise be obvious, so that people don't e.g. try to drive against the traffic. It just reinforces what in other contexts is obvious to drivers and therefore neither needs nor gets explicit signage.

[Nwallace]

This one:
https://goo.gl/maps/E2MhXpA95xFmtwKb6

[AndyB]

The one exception is the blue Dual Carriageway sign with a one-way arrow used on the central reservation to inform people entering the road from a non-DC side road. The regulations implicit in that sign apply from when the motorist passes the sign, just as a speed limit roundel does. But I'd argue that the overwhelmingly important purpose of this sign is to make it clear that a road is a DC in circumstances where it may not otherwise be obvious, so that people don't e.g. try to drive against the traffic. It just reinforces what in other contexts is obvious to drivers and therefore neither needs nor gets explicit signage.

Absolutely, in that context its sole purpose is to explain why you must turn left as opposed to being a one way street.

[shanklyone]

Thanks for all your replies everyone!