Green sign on the motorway?

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Chris Bertram wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 12:01
Patrick Harper wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 11:33
Stevie D wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 11:05but the M271 gets it right: https://goo.gl/maps/JcRF662Nt9bMLdCb6 (that is, if you count it as a motorway and not a glorified spur of the M27!)
The route symbol used on that sign is not appropriate for a grade separated junction. It should be based on Figure 5-22 from TSM Chapter 7.
It's a flat roundabout, isn't it? Or at least it was when I last went that way (en route to IoW).
It's flat except for the Redbridge Flyover.
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Chris Bertram wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 12:01
Patrick Harper wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 11:33
Stevie D wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 11:05but the M271 gets it right: https://goo.gl/maps/JcRF662Nt9bMLdCb6 (that is, if you count it as a motorway and not a glorified spur of the M27!)
The route symbol used on that sign is not appropriate for a grade separated junction. It should be based on Figure 5-22 from TSM Chapter 7.
It's a flat roundabout, isn't it? Or at least it was when I last went that way (en route to IoW).
The A33/A35 goes over the top on the Redbridge Flyover.

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SBRoxMan wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 00:56 Even if it conveys the right info, it's not the kind of mistake HE should be making in the first place. Of all the regulations, "blue signs under motorway regulations" is one pretty much everybody understands
OK try some blue signs not under motorway regulations. It's a motorway service area being signposted so that must mean a blue sign? :no:
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Brenley Corner wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 12:15
Chris Bertram wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 12:01
Patrick Harper wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 11:33 The route symbol used on that sign is not appropriate for a grade separated junction. It should be based on Figure 5-22 from TSM Chapter 7.
It's a flat roundabout, isn't it? Or at least it was when I last went that way (en route to IoW).
The A33/A35 goes over the top on the Redbridge Flyover.

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jervi wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 18:40 I'd agree with you. Although blue "For" signs are pretty uncommon, especially once you start putting green patches/panels in them.

What about this non-primary sign on a motorway exit slip with 11 destinations on it along with loads of other issues - https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9214874 ... 384!8i8192
On the main carriageway near that slip-road, shouldn't the A31 destinations be on a green patch, as it's the end of the M27?
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Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 22:40
jervi wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 18:40 I'd agree with you. Although blue "For" signs are pretty uncommon, especially once you start putting green patches/panels in them.

What about this non-primary sign on a motorway exit slip with 11 destinations on it along with loads of other issues - https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9214874 ... 384!8i8192
On the main carriageway near that slip-road, shouldn't the A31 destinations be on a green patch, as it's the end of the M27?
No, because patching is not used on motorway mainlines approaching a slip road exit.
Arguably, it's because the section of road leading away from the diverge is still under motorway restrictions (as is the slip road) and so showing it as non-motorway would be incorrect, but I think mainly it's to keep the signs as clear and simple as possible.
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the cheesecake man wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 22:12
SBRoxMan wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 00:56 Even if it conveys the right info, it's not the kind of mistake HE should be making in the first place. Of all the regulations, "blue signs under motorway regulations" is one pretty much everybody understands
OK try some blue signs not under motorway regulations. It's a motorway service area being signposted so that must mean a blue sign? :no:
Apart from the 1/2m sign, which is wrong because it should look like this on an all-purpose road referring to an MSA - https://goo.gl/maps/5WzpgQ6bMoTvvfwA7 - that is all correct.

https://motorwayservicesonline.co.uk/A-road_Signs
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Bryn666 wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 12:09 Apart from the 1/2m sign, which is wrong because it should look like this on an all-purpose road referring to an MSA - https://goo.gl/maps/5WzpgQ6bMoTvvfwA7 - that is all correct.

https://motorwayservicesonline.co.uk/A-road_Signs
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the cheesecake man wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 12:58
Bryn666 wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 12:09 Apart from the 1/2m sign, which is wrong because it should look like this on an all-purpose road referring to an MSA - https://goo.gl/maps/5WzpgQ6bMoTvvfwA7 - that is all correct.

https://motorwayservicesonline.co.uk/A-road_Signs
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This is one area of the signing regulations that is very complex when it should be far simpler, it's easy to get these ones wrong.
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In passing: The M23 J9 spur now has three lanes each way?! Shows how long it is since I've been down there. It's a shame Covid stopped it having the traffic to justify it.
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Road2Nowhere wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 14:31 In passing: The M23 J9 spur now has three lanes each way?! Shows how long it is since I've been down there. It's a shame Covid stopped it having the traffic to justify it.
Only westbound, the hard shoulder was cannibalised as part of the smart motorway works.
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I think this is a worse example.
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Having cycled there, being thoroughly lost, it was very fortunate that I was heading from the City Centre to the A65. Had I been heading to the city centre, it's quite possible that I would have interpreted that as being able to follow the A58 to the city centre before the A58(M) starts, not the start of the A58(M)!

It would IMO be quite reasonable to sign through non-motorway traffic off at some form of "inner ring road", rather than right through the city centre.
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https://goo.gl/maps/7b8miftWToLJBbFY9

another confused sign....
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The line on patching down on motorway signs appears to be that if the junction itself is not under motorway regulations, then you patch down the exits.
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Gav wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 21:11 https://goo.gl/maps/7b8miftWToLJBbFY9

another confused sign....
A10 should just be in brackets on the main sign.

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