Roundabout lane guidance signing
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Roundabout lane guidance signing
I came across this advanced guide sign from Australia which indicates which lane a driver should go in for a roundabout to take their exit. Has any equivalent of this been used in the UK?
Would the closest equivalent be the GET IN LANE signs on the approaches to some roundabouts?
Would the closest equivalent be the GET IN LANE signs on the approaches to some roundabouts?
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Yeah, we'd use GET IN LANE, or gantries.
Germany does something similar - the real problem is that although it's fine if you've got a couple of lanes, when you've got something with six lanes on approach, the signs start to get very cluttered indeed.
Germany does something similar - the real problem is that although it's fine if you've got a couple of lanes, when you've got something with six lanes on approach, the signs start to get very cluttered indeed.
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
Our refusal to properly sign roundabouts beyond a map sign is one of the reasons many of them don't work. Gantries are expensive as well, so those are an absolute last resort.
However Manchester did once experiment with Australian style signs, not very successfully I will add:
https://goo.gl/maps/GncwK6xiNChj74Ta7
https://goo.gl/maps/MvYDVMNQ9it74CDv8
However Manchester did once experiment with Australian style signs, not very successfully I will add:
https://goo.gl/maps/GncwK6xiNChj74Ta7
https://goo.gl/maps/MvYDVMNQ9it74CDv8
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Interestingly, Manchester is also where I was thinking of the gantries - the sheer amount of street furniture at Portwood will live with me until the end of my days https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4161917 ... 384!8i8192Bryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 16:49 Our refusal to properly sign roundabouts beyond a map sign is one of the reasons many of them don't work. Gantries are expensive as well, so those are an absolute last resort.
However Manchester did once experiment with Australian style signs, not very successfully I will add:
https://goo.gl/maps/GncwK6xiNChj74Ta7
https://goo.gl/maps/MvYDVMNQ9it74CDv8
Not to mention those lights, where the designers have clearly gone for more metal...
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
An attempt was made. Probably no need to repeat itBryn666 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 16:49 Our refusal to properly sign roundabouts beyond a map sign is one of the reasons many of them don't work. Gantries are expensive as well, so those are an absolute last resort.
However Manchester did once experiment with Australian style signs, not very successfully I will add:
https://goo.gl/maps/GncwK6xiNChj74Ta7
https://goo.gl/maps/MvYDVMNQ9it74CDv8
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
I've noticed on roundabouts built or refurbished since the mid 2000s they seem to like marking the right lane of roundabouts with an ahead arrow despite the fact the lane is obviously only meant for turning right.
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It's to avoid instructing someone turning right when they hit the circulatory carriageway...MotorwayGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 21:14 I've noticed on roundabouts built or refurbished since the mid 2000s they seem to like marking the right lane of roundabouts with an ahead arrow despite the fact the lane is obviously only meant for turning right.
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As if the big blue arrow sign and chevron signs aren't a clue! The fact it isn't even consistent makes it worse, with many roundabouts still having them.c2R wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 21:18It's to avoid instructing someone turning right when they hit the circulatory carriageway...MotorwayGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 21:14 I've noticed on roundabouts built or refurbished since the mid 2000s they seem to like marking the right lane of roundabouts with an ahead arrow despite the fact the lane is obviously only meant for turning right.
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Its some guidance that I hate.MotorwayGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 21:47As if the big blue arrow sign and chevron signs aren't a clue! The fact it isn't even consistent makes it worse, with many roundabouts still having them.c2R wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 21:18It's to avoid instructing someone turning right when they hit the circulatory carriageway...MotorwayGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 21:14 I've noticed on roundabouts built or refurbished since the mid 2000s they seem to like marking the right lane of roundabouts with an ahead arrow despite the fact the lane is obviously only meant for turning right.
I'd like to see statistics of how incidents have been caused by people turning right onto the circulatory carriageway because of a right arrow on the ground compared to the amount of incidents such as side swipes that have occurred due to the right hand lane having an ahead arrow but doesn't actually go ahead.
Also not all places follow this guidance, West Sussex for example strictly follows it, whilst Lincolnshire it usually isn't followed.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.12681 ... 384!8i8192 - This approach I hate the most, the number of crashes here is astonishing looking at crash map, and I'd suspect many minor side swipes go unreported. I'll let you follow the lanes around the roundabout.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.22615 ... 312!8i6656 - simply marked with right arrows in Lincolnshire, although personally I think the left two lanes should be marked with left arrows. 3rd land marked as ahead&right and 4th lane being right.
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
Australia doesn't always get it right. This is a fairly new (2019) interchange with a big roundabout below, and the off-ramp has this sign:stryder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 14:24 I came across this advanced guide sign from Australia which indicates which lane a driver should go in for a roundabout to take their exit. Has any equivalent of this been used in the UK?
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Would the closest equivalent be the GET IN LANE signs on the approaches to some roundabouts?
https://goo.gl/maps/Ut2uF8qZdv769SYH6
Note the conflict between the sign and the arrows on the ground, but also note the sign doesn't show which lane goes straight ahead back onto the Tonkin Highway. Newer signs (2020) don't have this error:
https://goo.gl/maps/auLXnH2dEPsZMNYy5
This sign also shows how the left turn bypass lane is signed - the arrow branches off the main trunk before the roundabout itself
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
The similar gantry fest at Whitebirk on the M65 comes to mind, too, as well as the ones at Simister.c2R wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 17:34Interestingly, Manchester is also where I was thinking of the gantries - the sheer amount of street furniture at Portwood will live with me until the end of my days https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4161917 ... 384!8i8192
Not to mention those lights, where the designers have clearly gone for more metal...
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
Most new drivers aren't taught how to use map signs to select lanes on approach to roundabouts either.
How many people know that this means use the right-hand lane to go 'straight on' on the A3057, for instance?
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9 signal heads for one approach. LCC love to overdesign these things, pity none of this zeal makes it into their staging plans.traffic-light-man wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 07:38The similar gantry fest at Whitebirk on the M65 comes to mind, too, as well as the ones at Simister.c2R wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 17:34Interestingly, Manchester is also where I was thinking of the gantries - the sheer amount of street furniture at Portwood will live with me until the end of my days https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4161917 ... 384!8i8192
Not to mention those lights, where the designers have clearly gone for more metal...
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
jervi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 23:19Its some guidance that I hate.MotorwayGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 21:47As if the big blue arrow sign and chevron signs aren't a clue! The fact it isn't even consistent makes it worse, with many roundabouts still having them.
I'd like to see statistics of how incidents have been caused by people turning right onto the circulatory carriageway because of a right arrow on the ground compared to the amount of incidents such as side swipes that have occurred due to the right hand lane having an ahead arrow but doesn't actually go ahead.
Also not all places follow this guidance, West Sussex for example strictly follows it, whilst Lincolnshire it usually isn't followed.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.12681 ... 384!8i8192 - This approach I hate the most, the number of crashes here is astonishing looking at crash map, and I'd suspect many minor side swipes go unreported. I'll let you follow the lanes around the roundabout.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.22615 ... 312!8i6656 - simply marked with right arrows in Lincolnshire, although personally I think the left two lanes should be marked with left arrows. 3rd land marked as ahead&right and 4th lane being right.
Well my hypothesis is that the more perpendicular than tangential entry angles we get these days onto horribly designed newer roundabouts give the hard of thinking the impression that they can bear right, let alone the issues with entry path overlap.
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Re: Roundabout lane guidance signing
Didn't we have it confirmed a few weeks on SABRE that the silly "no right arrows on roundabout approach" rule had gone again?
Several sites in NI now have Diag 877 signs, primarily where lane 1 is to be left only. The similar one (diag 2019) on the approach to the Seven Towers Roundabout is incorrect as lane 1 can also go left, but even though it was erected in the "no right arrows" era, failure to show a right arrow would be unthinkably confusing.
Several sites in NI now have Diag 877 signs, primarily where lane 1 is to be left only. The similar one (diag 2019) on the approach to the Seven Towers Roundabout is incorrect as lane 1 can also go left, but even though it was erected in the "no right arrows" era, failure to show a right arrow would be unthinkably confusing.
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I find it the other way round TBH. Its often older Karens on Facebook saying people are in the wrong lane, when in fact they are wrong because of the sign.Patrick Harper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 14:45Most new drivers aren't taught how to use map signs to select lanes on approach to roundabouts either.
How many people know that this means use the right-hand lane to go 'straight on' on the A3057, for instance?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.99676 ... 384!8i8192 This one appears on Facebook once a year. A few misinformed Karens say right lane to go ahead since there are 4 exits, and its the 3rd or some illogically explanation. Although it seems people on Facebook are split 50/50 on this.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.98946 ... 384!8i8192 Or this one where people again seem to think its right lane to go ahead. I'm normally outnumbered by Karens when this one appears on Facebook. I will admit that due to the entry angle to the roundabout, it does feel more natural to go ahead from the right lane, but that doesn't make it right.
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Map signs such as these are sometimes used at other junctions so why not at roundabouts?
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That isn’t uncommon at any sort of junction - most drivers interpret it as meaning exception to the Highway Code rules for the roundabout or junction, specifically “don’t go straight on from this lane”Fenlander wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:04The only arrow on any of the 4 approaches to this roundabout is a solitary right turn arrow