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1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Steven » Mon Jan 01, 2018 08:38

Happy New Year!

January 1st means that OS maps published in 1967 are now out-of-copyright, so one of the first maps to take advantage of that is the south sheet of the 1967 Route Planning Map. There's quite a lot of changes on here from the 1966 edition, my current favourites being:

* Primary Destinations
* Motorway junction numbers
* More motorway mapping errors in Kent

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From the SABRE Wiki: Primary Destinations :

Primary Destinations are the key target destinations (technically, "places of major traffic importance") within the United Kingdom that are shown on direction signs along major roads such as Motorways and Primary Routes. These destinations are important key points and are used in combination with local place names that are defined by each local Highway Authority. Primary destinations will appear above local destinations on direction signs due to a furthest first rule in the

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by c2R » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:15

We've got some junction numbers appeared on M62_(Stretford_-_Eccles_bypass), numbered 1-6 (south to north)
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From the SABRE Wiki: M62 (Stretford - Eccles bypass) :


The original use of the M62 number was for the Stretford-Eccles Bypass in Lancashire to the west of Manchester. It was renumbered to M63 in 1968, before being renumbered again to M60 in 1999.

It is located between the modern junction 7 and 13 of the M60.

There is an amount of confusion as to whether the junctions on the M62 were ever numbered. A number of maps by various providers (such as Ordnance Survey, an example of which is shown to the left) showed

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by jgharston » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:59

Steven wrote:January 1st means that OS maps published in 1967 are now out-of-copyright,
A pedant posts: they are not out-of-copyright, they are out of copyright.
An out-of-copyright map is a map that is out of copyright.

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Bryn666 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 09:18

Nobody had a clue with the A2, M2, and its spurs did they?
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Steven » Tue Jan 02, 2018 09:41

The original set of Primary Routes is also nice to have now.
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Chris Bertram » Tue Jan 02, 2018 09:48

Was there really a junction with A427 at Catthorpe prior to the M1/M6 split being built? This is new as compared with 1966.
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Steven » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:18

Chris Bertram wrote:Was there really a junction with A427 at Catthorpe prior to the M1/M6 split being built? This is new as compared with 1966.
No - the slips for J19 were built nice and early, so I suspect it's showing them in error rather than a junction with the A427.
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Chris Bertram » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:53

Steven wrote:
Chris Bertram wrote:Was there really a junction with A427 at Catthorpe prior to the M1/M6 split being built? This is new as compared with 1966.
No - the slips for J19 were built nice and early, so I suspect it's showing them in error rather than a junction with the A427.
That seems likely, but the map could easily be misread as printed. I wonder how many people headed down A427 and were disappointed when all they found was an underpass.
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by wrinkly » Tue Jan 02, 2018 14:31

c2R wrote:We've got some junction numbers appeared on M62_(Stretford_-_Eccles_bypass), numbered 1-6 (south to north)
I've mentioned those a few times over the years in the forums. They were shown on some maps but never shown on signs. Junction numbers on signs only appeared in 1971 (increasing southward) when it became M63 at the time the M602 opened.

From the SABRE Wiki: M62 (Stretford - Eccles bypass) :


The original use of the M62 number was for the Stretford-Eccles Bypass in Lancashire to the west of Manchester. It was renumbered to M63 in 1968, before being renumbered again to M60 in 1999.

It is located between the modern junction 7 and 13 of the M60.

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Robert Kilcoyne » Tue Jan 02, 2018 17:45

The A580 east of the M6 appears still to be red, although the A580 west of the M6 is shown in green. This would probably have been an error, as the "A580" is in black type and I would have thought that the whole of the A580 between Liverpool and the A6 would be both a primary and trunk road at that time.

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by wrinkly » Tue Jan 02, 2018 18:35

Robert Kilcoyne wrote:The A580 east of the M6 appears still to be red, although the A580 west of the M6 is shown in green. This would probably have been an error, as the "A580" is in black type and I would have thought that the whole of the A580 between Liverpool and the A6 would be both a primary and trunk road at that time.
The eastern half of the A580 and adjacent bits of the A575 and A572 (connecting to "M62" "J6") appear darker red than other red roads, perhaps as if printed with both green and red inks. The A580 and A575 should be green and the bit of A572 should be red.

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Steven » Sun Jan 07, 2018 09:30

And the North sheet has now been uploaded to join the south sheet, so we now have a full set of the original Primary Routes and Primary Destinations.


EDIT: And yes, I know about the Tyneside inset problem...
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by c2R » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:25

Something strange also seems to be going on at the top of Shetland, at least on my Firefox browser..
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Robert Kilcoyne » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:40

All of the green primary routes seem to become red when they reach the outskirts of Edinburgh and Glasgow, yet there are green roads in Stirling, Perth, Dundee, Aberdeen and Inverness.

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Steven » Sun Jan 07, 2018 21:24

c2R wrote:Something strange also seems to be going on at the top of Shetland, at least on my Firefox browser..
That should be fixed in about five minutes.
Robert Kilcoyne wrote:All of the green primary routes seem to become red when they reach the outskirts of Edinburgh and Glasgow, yet there are green roads in Stirling, Perth, Dundee, Aberdeen and Inverness.
I've just taken a look at my print copy, and they're shown in the same way on the 1968 edition. Do they match up with the old County Burgh boundaries?
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by jgharston » Sun Jan 07, 2018 22:06

Cooo. Was the B1416 through Ruswarp really a primary route?

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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Chris Bertram » Sun Jan 07, 2018 22:36

jgharston wrote:Cooo. Was the B1416 through Ruswarp really a primary route?
Yes it was, prior to the new high level bridge carrying A171 over the Esk opening in the early 80s.
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:39

Yay! More maps.
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by si404 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 14:19

I've listed the primary destinations marked on the map at Sandbox:1967 PDs.

There's green backing for super-primary destinations, so I've also recorded them.

Obvious oddities: Isle of Wight is a PD according to the map. London isn't.
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Re: 1967 Route Planning Map - South

Post by wrinkly » Mon Jan 08, 2018 19:16

si404 wrote:I've listed the primary destinations marked on the map at Sandbox:1967 PDs.

There's green backing for super-primary destinations, so I've also recorded them.
On that map, at least as digitised, super-primaries are hard to distinguish from mere primaries, so I don't blame you for failing to list Fishguard as super.

The reason I noticed the omission is as follows:

The first map I ever saw showing primary routes and destinations was one I persuaded my father to send for from the AA in about 1965. I mentioned it on here once. At the time I posted about it, I memorised the super primaries from it. By way of a mnemonic I noticed that they consisted of a distorted circle of 16 places (including London which was shown as SP), plus one in the centre (Birmingham), plus four further north (Inverness, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle).

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