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Ministry of Transport Road Maps and NI Road Maps
So, for the first time in what feels like a very long time, there's a new MoT map sheet been added to SABRE Maps - which is Sheet 19 (Norwich and Great Yarmouth) from 1924-25. There's a few changes on there from the revisions we have to either side, so why don't you take a look and see what you can see?
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From the SABRE Wiki: OS Ministry of Transport Road Map :
The Ministry of Transport Road Map (colloqually known as MoT Maps) series were the official maps to show classified roads, following their publication by the Ministry of Transport on 1st April, 1923. As such, they are possibly the most important resource documenting the early days of road numbering in Great Britain.
The equivalent mapping in Northern Ireland was the Road Map of Northern Ireland
[[File:MoT map key 1922-23.JPG|thumb|right|1922-23 edition
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It's one of those very late MoT maps from 1936-37 most easily differentiated from earlier maps by their use of purple for B-class roads rather than the earlier use of green, and shows the road network on them after the large renumbering of 1935.
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Yes, it's because the base map is an older OS Half Inch sheet in outline style, and the A and B roads are overprints. It does look weird though, as the overprint also goes over text, features and so on from the base map.Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 13:35 Interesting in that some roads seem to be "drawn on", i.e. there is a coloured line but no road on the map underneath it. See A614 at Howden, A63 between North Cave and South Cave, and A1105 near Hessle.
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They've been doing that on the MoT maps since pretty much the beginning, as it's not worth updating the base map just to add a new road.Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 13:35 Interesting in that some roads seem to be "drawn on", i.e. there is a coloured line but no road on the map underneath it. See A614 at Howden, A63 between North Cave and South Cave, and A1105 near Hessle.
However, I can't link to any other examples as I can't think of any off the top of my head!
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There are also quite a few points where the red line is just slapped down approximately and doesn't follow the course of the road very closely (eg Rawcliffe, and between Snaith and Carlton)Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 13:35 Interesting in that some roads seem to be "drawn on", i.e. there is a coloured line but no road on the map underneath it. See A614 at Howden, A63 between North Cave and South Cave, and A1105 near Hessle.
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East Riding County Council completed quite a few road straightening schemes in the 1920s and 1930s and was also trying to free the County of toll bridges (Selby was the one that got away, until the bypass). The Rawcliffe straightening was completed in 1935 and Snaith to Carlton is Carlton_New_Bridge, opened in 1927.
From the SABRE Wiki: Carlton New Bridge :
Carlton New Bridge is a crossing of the River Aire, and was opened on 10 September 1927, replacing the old toll bridge. The bridge is a box girder bridge, It provided an alternative route for traffic from the East Midlands to York, avoiding Doncaster. The A1041 multiplexes with A645 across the bridge. North Yorkshire and East Riding of Yorkshire Councils are the joint Highway authorities.
Since 1911 the rural authorities of Goole and Selby, and
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I love this. Loads of short-lived B-roads, and the only MoT map to have the A580 Liverpool - East Lancashire Road on it. In short, it's brilliant!
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I always thought the split was a later invention - that said, the extension down past Goodison Park does seem to be later than this map shows. No surprise, it's really another mish-mash of city streets there that just now happen to be a dual carriageway.
I think it was Peter who originally stated the East Lancs simply "dissolved" at either end, and he wasn't wrong.
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Also spot the A675 running down Crompton Way.
I have always said the A58 'ring road' is so far out from the town centre that it is actually slower to take it than still to go through the middle of Bolton. A very poorly planned road network all told.
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As a child I lived near the Salford end of the A580. I don't think I would say it dissolved. It was one of three radial roads (with the A6 and A666) which combined into one as you enter the densely urban area. Quite an abrubpt end.
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Yes, it slammed into Bolton Road, which eventually widened out into a six lane single carriageway around Pendleton - it dissolved in the sense it was just dumped into existing roads with no obvious plans for improvement. Hence the rather horrendous 1970 Broad Street Expressway, which is one of the ugliest urban roads ever constructed.
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I bow down to you, Mr Jukes. I am not worthy.Steven wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 18:44 Another one of those mega-rare 300 copies only late MoT Maps has been added to SABRE Maps today - Sheet 12 (Liverpool, Manchester and Chester).
I love this. Loads of short-lived B-roads, and the only MoT map to have the A580 Liverpool - East Lancashire Road on it. In short, it's brilliant!
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Ritchie333 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:07I bow down to you, Mr Jukes. I am not worthy.Steven wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 18:44 Another one of those mega-rare 300 copies only late MoT Maps has been added to SABRE Maps today - Sheet 12 (Liverpool, Manchester and Chester).
I love this. Loads of short-lived B-roads, and the only MoT map to have the A580 Liverpool - East Lancashire Road on it. In short, it's brilliant!
I'm really pleased that you like it!
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As usual, there's loads of late 1920s and early 1930s goodies on this lot on the 1929-32 layer:
* Sheet 12 (Liverpool, Manchester and Chester) 1929-30
* Sheet 22 (Worcester and Ludlow) 1929-30
* Sheet 35 (SW Cornwall and Scilly Isles) 1930-31
* Sheet 36 (Plymouth, Torquay and Exeter) 1930-31
* Sheet 40 (Chatham, Margate and Hastings) 1930-31
On top of those five, we've also acquired a new copy of the 1927-28 revision of Sheet 39 (Brighton) to replace the somewhat dirty copy we had available previously.
Incidentally, that means that we now have every revision of 15 of the 40 sheets of England and Wales online; as well as 22 of the 34 Scottish sheets - although the latter is a bit cheating as most Scottish sheets only had a single revision!
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Re: Cornwall - it's really quite amazing how much changed in 1935, numbering wise - they appeared to go on a bit of a Class II>Class I renumbering spree!
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It's not in the greatest of conditions as it looks like the maps were all dissected together, and then placed on the backing cloth, so the squares left simply don't match up quite properly, presumably because the individual sections aren't actually from the same original map.
So, enjoy the new map, and if anyone has a good non-dissected copy of the map, please let me know!
The map can be found in the NI Road Map layer group.
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That narrows down the B11_(Northern_Ireland) as being very short-lived indeed...
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From the SABRE Wiki: B11 (Northern Ireland) :
In the original 1923 Road Lists, the A2 coast road did not actually cover the entire coast of Northern Ireland. There was a gap in east County Down, between Donaghdee and Clough, which was instead originally numbered B11. The gap in the A2 was filled by at least 1926 with that road taking