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Re: The Great C Road hunt!

Post by c2R » Wed Jan 23, 2019 21:35

I suspect that they do have additional "bits" of road that are essentially trunk, but don't form part of the "A" road or motorway network just by quirk of construction or ownership.

For example, this piece of legislation: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2018/1404

removes trunk status from this piece of "Salford Road" https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0307545 ... 312!8i6656

The instrument implies it is part of the A421, but it isn't signed as such and wouldn't make sense to do so. I wonder if other such roads are a hangover from that sort of thing but where the new link road didn't receive an A number and was never detrunked once the scheme was complete.

It looks like some of these are as a result of HE building a bypass, re-routing the A road, renumbering the old road to ClassIII and then never transferring ownership /detrunking it - certianly the C996 White Horse Hill seems to be the pre bypass route of the A260.
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Re: The Great C Road hunt!

Post by c2R » Wed Jan 23, 2019 21:38

The C995 is a different matter, appearing to be the access to Hopwood services from the roundabout
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Post by Euan » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:34

I have just noticed an old photo on SABRE's Twitter page showing a road sign somewhere in Belfast which reads "C1" followed by "Balmoral" and "Falls". As far as I am aware there is no C1 anywhere in NI, but it looks like the known C2 (Northern Ireland) is not too far away from where this picture may have been taken so the number would not be out of place.

The actual tweet was from Bryn: https://twitter.com/ShowMeASignBryn/sta ... 1115871237

Would Bryn or anyone else know a bit more about where the picture was taken or even when it was taken? If we could find out exactly which road the sign is pointing at it would be helpful in working out if the C1 still exists or not.
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From the SABRE Wiki: C2 (Northern Ireland) :


The C2 is a road which passes through the suburbs of south west Belfast. It starts on the A501 in Lenadoon and follows Shaw's Road before encountering a multiplex with the B102 from which it follows Finaghy road under the M1 and through a crossroads with the A1 to finish on the B103 in Finaghy.


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Re: The Great C Road hunt!

Post by Chris5156 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 17:30

Euan wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:34
I have just noticed an old photo on SABRE's Twitter page showing a road sign somewhere in Belfast which reads "C1" followed by "Balmoral" and "Falls". As far as I am aware there is no C1 anywhere in NI, but it looks like the known C2 (Northern Ireland) is not too far away from where this picture may have been taken so the number would not be out of place.

The actual tweet was from Bryn: https://twitter.com/ShowMeASignBryn/sta ... 1115871237

Would Bryn or anyone else know a bit more about where the picture was taken or even when it was taken? If we could find out exactly which road the sign is pointing at it would be helpful in working out if the C1 still exists or not.
It's the northbound exit from the M1 at J2 Stockmans Lane, which is now the interchange with the A55. The A55 is Belfast's Outer Ring Road and was created mostly by applying a new A-road number to existing roads, so it's safe to assume that the C1 is now the A55.

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Post by Euan » Wed Jan 30, 2019 19:06

That sounds reasonable - I thought all along it would have been J2 which is clearly the best match for the place names on the sign. Looking at the road list there are one or two missing numbers within the County Down number block as well, so it is entirely possible that the A55 may also have absorbed one of these missing numbers on the other side of the city.
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Re: The Great C Road hunt!

Post by bothar » Sat Feb 02, 2019 21:53

Euan wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 19:06
That sounds reasonable - I thought all along it would have been J2 which is clearly the best match for the place names on the sign. Looking at the road list there are one or two missing numbers within the County Down number block as well, so it is entirely possible that the A55 may also have absorbed one of these missing numbers on the other side of the city.
When the M1 was built, a junction was built at Stockman's lane. A new route, Kennedy Way was built towards Andersonstown Road and Stockman's lane to the Lisburn Road was widened. A stub Stockman's Lane still exists on the Andersonstown side, I suppose this could have still be called C1, but it was probably unclassified at some stage.
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Re: The Great C Road hunt!

Post by Euan » Sat Feb 09, 2019 17:07

I have now finished adding all of the County Armagh C roads to the wiki and have reached the second significant gap in the NI class III numbering system consisting of C230-C250. Armagh appears to have originally been allocated the C151-C250 range with C229 being the highest used number.

Geographically they are numbered in roughly the following order:
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The distribution of the numbers can therefore be broken down into rough groups as follows:
:arrow: C151 - C159 - Lurgan/Craigavon
:arrow: C161 - C176 - South Lough Neagh/Portadown/Tandragee
:arrow: C177 - C192 - Blackwater/Armagh
:arrow: C193 - C210 - Keady/Markethill/Richhill
:arrow: C211 - C219 - Newtownhamilton/Newry
:arrow: C220 - C227 - Slieve Guillion/borderlands
:arrow: C228 - C229 - out of place, north of Newry
The only numbers out of these that do not appear to currently be in use are C190, C195 and C211. It's also possible that the numbers C228 and C229 were added later given they are slightly out of place north of Newry when the rest of the sequence runs into the county's south west corner.

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