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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by KeithW » Sat Apr 13, 2019 14:49

The old communigate site for Teesside trolleybuses has been resurrected on the web archive and is worth a visit as it has some rare pictures of early trollybuses including this early hybrid vehicle. The wheels were driven by electric motors and it had a petrol engine driving a dynamo for power when not under the wires.

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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by FleetlinePhil » Sun Apr 14, 2019 21:30

KeithW wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 14:49
The old communigate site for Teesside trolleybuses has been resurrected on the web archive and is worth a visit as it has some rare pictures of early trollybuses including this early hybrid vehicle. The wheels were driven by electric motors and it had a petrol engine driving a dynamo for power when not under the wires.

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http://web.archive.org/web/201206231215 ... ge13.phtml
Interesting link, many thanks. One of the later trolleybus batches was described as having "Bridlington-built East Lancs bodies", which I found puzzling. I wasn't aware of their connection to the East Coast (or possibly I since have forgotten something I did know in my teens!) but there is a bit of discussion about it towards the bottom of this page.

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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by Glenn A » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:44

Trolleybus pylons converted to street lighting in the sixties, when trolleybuses were scrapped, were always an indication of where the trolleybuses ran in Newcastle. There was the previously mentioned terminus at West Denton and a terminus in the east end on Jesmond Dene Rd, where the street light conversions ended. Presumably there was a major route from West Denton to Jesmond Dene, crossing what is now the Central Motorway East, and I do recall these light conversions on Shields Rd in the east end.
It was a shame Newcastle scrapped their trolley buses in 1966 as they were green, quiet and faster than diesel buses, but new housing estates had no provision for them and they could only operate under wires, so were limited to certain routes.

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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by KeithW » Sun Apr 28, 2019 14:52

Glenn A wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:44
Trolleybus pylons converted to street lighting in the sixties, when trolleybuses were scrapped, were always an indication of where the trolleybuses ran in Newcastle. There was the previously mentioned terminus at West Denton and a terminus in the east end on Jesmond Dene Rd, where the street light conversions ended. Presumably there was a major route from West Denton to Jesmond Dene, crossing what is now the Central Motorway East, and I do recall these light conversions on Shields Rd in the east end.
It was a shame Newcastle scrapped their trolley buses in 1966 as they were green, quiet and faster than diesel buses, but new housing estates had no provision for them and they could only operate under wires, so were limited to certain routes.
They would also have had the same problem as TRTB on Teesside where they soldiered on into the 70's. The buses were all of prewar manufacture although they been rebuilt after WW2. Manufacture of spares had ceased decades ago and they were reliant on buying vehicles scrapped by other operators and scrapping them for spares. When the trolleybus company (TRTB) was incorporated into Cleveland Transit it simply made no sense to the new company to take on the costs of maintaining the entire system and depot for what was a small fraction of the business.

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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by Glenn A » Sun Apr 28, 2019 17:56

KeithW wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 14:52
Glenn A wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:44
Trolleybus pylons converted to street lighting in the sixties, when trolleybuses were scrapped, were always an indication of where the trolleybuses ran in Newcastle. There was the previously mentioned terminus at West Denton and a terminus in the east end on Jesmond Dene Rd, where the street light conversions ended. Presumably there was a major route from West Denton to Jesmond Dene, crossing what is now the Central Motorway East, and I do recall these light conversions on Shields Rd in the east end.
It was a shame Newcastle scrapped their trolley buses in 1966 as they were green, quiet and faster than diesel buses, but new housing estates had no provision for them and they could only operate under wires, so were limited to certain routes.
They would also have had the same problem as TRTB on Teesside where they soldiered on into the 70's. The buses were all of prewar manufacture although they been rebuilt after WW2. Manufacture of spares had ceased decades ago and they were reliant on buying vehicles scrapped by other operators and scrapping them for spares. When the trolleybus company (TRTB) was incorporated into Cleveland Transit it simply made no sense to the new company to take on the costs of maintaining the entire system and depot for what was a small fraction of the business.
The Newcastle Corporation trolleybuses mostly plied the main roads in the city, and housing estates built after the 1930s were built without the necessary infrastructure, or were built too far from the trolleybus routes. It's probable as well as the reasons you've given that it wasn't economic to keep an ageing transport system going that was only serving certain areas of the city. Also the pre 1974 Newcastle City Council was smaller than the 1974 authority and when Newcastle incorporated Newburn and Gosforth UDCs, the trolleybus network would have been even smaller, had it survived, and the county council was favouring a Metro system by then.

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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by KeithW » Mon Apr 29, 2019 00:04

Glenn A wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 17:56

The Newcastle Corporation trolleybuses mostly plied the main roads in the city, and housing estates built after the 1930s were built without the necessary infrastructure, or were built too far from the trolleybus routes. It's probable as well as the reasons you've given that it wasn't economic to keep an ageing transport system going that was only serving certain areas of the city. Also the pre 1974 Newcastle City Council was smaller than the 1974 authority and when Newcastle incorporated Newburn and Gosforth UDCs, the trolleybus network would have been even smaller, had it survived, and the county council was favouring a Metro system by then.
On Teesside they actually extended the system in the 1960's but that simply worsened the spares problem and the prospect of bus crews having to re position pickups on live wires on a rainy day with long wooden poles would give Health and Safety people a case of the screaming hab dabs. To keep the trolley bus viable what was needed was a new setup with AC overhead wire, pantograph pickups and an onboard battery for when power was lost. At a time when diesel was 30p per gallon nobody was going to make that sort of investment. You couldnt even make an argument they were green as most of the power was generated by burning coal and modern diesels were more thermally efficient.

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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by Mark Hewitt » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:34

From what I can see the Gateshead tram system ran across the Tyne Bridge then all the way through Low Fell and terminated around where the A167 now becomes dual carriageway.

It's a real shame that the system doesn't exist today, as it's certain that if it did it would be one of the most popular ways to get into Newcastle, given that the busses that run the same route are always rammed.
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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by Chris Bertram » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:23

Mark Hewitt wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:34
From what I can see the Gateshead tram system ran across the Tyne Bridge then all the way through Low Fell and terminated around where the A167 now becomes dual carriageway.

It's a real shame that the system doesn't exist today, as it's certain that if it did it would be one of the most popular ways to get into Newcastle, given that the busses that run the same route are always rammed.
Was it jointly run with Newcastle?
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Re: Anybody for trolleybuses ?

Post by Mark Hewitt » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:44

Chris Bertram wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:23
Mark Hewitt wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:34
From what I can see the Gateshead tram system ran across the Tyne Bridge then all the way through Low Fell and terminated around where the A167 now becomes dual carriageway.

It's a real shame that the system doesn't exist today, as it's certain that if it did it would be one of the most popular ways to get into Newcastle, given that the busses that run the same route are always rammed.
Was it jointly run with Newcastle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateshead ... ys_Company I don't think so.
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